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Archaeologica.org: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 1 of 6 • 123456 Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] by Kalopin » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:30 pm Concerning the formation process for the upper lithosphere of the Mississippi embayment,... www.researchpublish.com/issue/IJIRI/Issue-3-July-2016-September-2016 researchpublish.com/journal/IJIR ... ber-2016/0 AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN FOR THE UPLAND FORMATION OF THE MISSISSIPPI EMBAYMENT Vol. 4, Issue 3, July 2016 – September 2016 Tony Hood Download Complete Paper Title: AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN FOR THE UPLAND FORMATION OF THE MISSISSIPPI EMBAYMENT Author: Tony Hood International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1218 (print), ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Research Publish Journals Published today! [finally! :-] ISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (65-70), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 65 Research Publish Journals AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN FOR THE UPLAND FORMATION OF THE MISSISSIPPI EMBAYMENT Tony Hood This is an investigation into findings that suggest a meteor from a serial impact off the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 was the initial mechanism to cause the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812. There is a central, semi-circular structure in northeastern Marshall county, Mississippi, extending partly into Tennessee, which every line in the topography emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. On the northwest face and near mid-basin, there is a central rebound peak where numerous unusual rocks were found with all aspects of impactites and meteorites with fusion crust, the appearance of nanodiamonds and shocked quartz. Currently the evidence consists of the original accounts, newspaper articles, astronomers observations, impactites [rocks], dendrology, scientific data, immediate topography and satellite views. On satellite, with the upper embayment in view, draw a line down the middle of the New Madrid bend to where the impactites were found in North Slayden, Mississippi. Notice the design in the terrain showing angle, direction and force of impact. ISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (000-000), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 66 Research Publish Journals Coordinates : 34* 58’ 31.38” x 89* 24”17.15”... should take you to a small field near mid-basin. From this point pan out to Mill Pond and Mill Pond Road, just where it meets with Early Grove Road follows the circular terrain of the inner basin. Just to the east of Early Grove rd. is a white sand creek [Early Grove creek]. Follow this northward, over the Tennessee state line, upward passed the Wolf river bottoms, through a tree line to the west and back down, to the other side and passed the western side of the impression. This is the first in a series of shockwaves, reverberates out many times to the edge of, and shows the same design as the outer shape of the embayment. Pan out, following each river to the north, [the Hatchie River, Wolf River, Loosahathie River,…] shows the larger waves from a shock pattern that extends out to The Tennessee River on the east passed The St. Francis River on the west. Below this structure the terrain runs from east to west and is where the land was pulled northward to produce large chasms that were later blocked by earthen dams to form lakes, [such as Arkabutla, Sardis and Enid]. All the semi-circular fractures throughout Eastern Arkansas and sand blows encircle this structure. The crater has been subjected to extensive amounts of erosion, foliage growth and development, mostly because of being in such a fertile river valley. Once this is removed, all lines in the topography surround and point to this central location. Reading the original accounts gives better understanding of what was actually witnessed. There were many to see meteoric lights before, during and after the first earthquake as far as Savannah Georgia, [way too far to be any naturally occurring earthquake lights]. Many to believe the comet had went down in the Ohio river or had touched the mountains of California. Lights were seen so bright that, at two-thirty in the morning a needle could be seen on the floor… The astronomers observations agree. The comet was seen as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October of 1811 and William Herschel reported the comet’s tail becoming significantly shorter in November as it was coming toward him. Comet C/1811 F1 must have been a Sungrazer comet as it wasn’t seen from mid-June 1811 until the latter part of August 1811, which gives it the approximate amount of time for it to travel around the Sun, breaking it apart and then to pass in front of Earth, leaving a trail of debris and, as the planet revolved through a meteoroid filled dust tail for over a month caused several meteors to impact, one large enough to reshape the entire Mississippi river valley. On this same day, December 16, 1811, Caracas, Venezuela was also destroyed. Find accounts of the many disasters associated with the close passing of a comet at “Travels to the equinoctial regions of America”, chapter 14, by Alexander Von Humboldt, as this was more than seismic activity throughout the central United States but was a global catastrophe. ISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (000-000), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 67 Research Publish Journals Crater coordinates: Northern rim- 35* 00’ 17.25”N x 89* 24’ 27.52”W Southern rim- 34* 58’ 3.25”N x 89* 24’ 22.25”W Eastern rim- 34* 59’ 11.27”N x 89* 22’ 55.96”W Western rim- 34* 59’ 15.18”N x 89* 25’ 45.75”W White sand creek [first in a series of shock waves]- West- 34* 58’ 28.86”N x 89* 26’ 16.50”W Northwest- 35* 01’ 59.99”N x 89* 24’ 25.09”W Northeast- 35* 01’ 05.53”N x 89* 22’ 37.80”W East- 34* 58’ 17.95”N x 89* 22’ 37.80”W Approximate crater diameter- 4.25 kilometers or 2.64 miles REFERENCES [1] “Travels to the equinoctial regions of America”, Alexander Von Humboldt, Chapter 14 ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... ter14.html [2] “1811-12 New Madrid earthquakes, a NEO Connection” www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htm[3] “A detailed narrative of the earthquakes which occurred on the 16th day of December, 1811” Samuel L. Mitchill , transcriptions and notes Susan E. Hough pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html[4] New Madrid newspapers, The Messenger, February 28, 1811 www.hsv.com /genlintr/newmadrd /newspapers/The_Messenger-Feb_28_1811.jpg fourth column near the top “…the comet appeared hazy an dim…” [5] Eyewitnesses to Mississippi river earthquake terror, Susan E. Hough www.showme.net /~ fkeller /quake/lib/eyewitness1.htm [6] C/1811 F1 [Great Comet], Gary W. Kronk’s Cometography www.cometography.com/lcomets/1811f1.htmlISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (000-000), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 68 Research Publish Journals [7] “Panther across the sky- Tecumseh and the New Madrid earthquake”, David Yarrow www.ratical.org/ratville/Tecumseh.html [8] “New Madrid, first steamboat, quakes, comet”, William L. Pierce www.showme.net /~fkeller /quake /lib/roosevelt.htm [9] “Newspaper accounts of the new Madrid earthquakes”, Rootsweb, Don E. Wright www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monewmad/nm-history/paper-5.htm [10] Charleston S.C. Courier newspaper, Dec. 29-30, 1811 www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/savannah.htm[11] USGS, Historic earthquakes, “New Madrid 1811-1812 earthquakes” U.S. Geological Survey http:// earthquake .usgs.gov /earthquakes/states/events/1811_overview.php [12] “Model for the tectonic evolution of the Mississippi embayment and its contemporary seismicity” M.F. Kane, T.G. HildenbrandJ.D.Hendrickhttp://geology.geoscienceworld. ... ttp:/www.s cience direct. Com /science/article/pii/S0264370702000194 APPENDIX - A List of figures: ISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (000-000), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 69 Research Publish Journals ISSN 2348-1218 (print) International Journal of Interdisciplinary Research and Innovations ISSN 2348-1226 (online) Vol. 4, Issue 3, pp: (000-000), Month: July - September 2016, Available at: www.researchpublish.comPage | 70 Research Publish Journals □□□ ...and so, hopefully, soon a great deal of our science and history will be uncovered... Please, help to spread the word! Thanks Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:04 am A self published paper with a publisher that has an open call for papers... hmmm... I take it that Tony Hood is Kalopin & that this 'paper' is his magnum opus... "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:37 am stardate.org/radio/program/great-comet-1811The Great Comet of 1811 never came very close to either the Sun or Earth. It more than made up for that, though, with its enormous size. As a result, the comet grew brilliant and remained visible for many months. Astronomers first spotted the comet on March 25th, long before its closest approach. It passed nearest the Sun in September, and nearest Earth on October 20th. Even so, it never came closer to either body than the 93 million miles that separate the Sun and Earth. Seems to be awfully far away. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:15 pm Minimalist wrote: stardate.org/radio/program/great-comet-1811The Great Comet of 1811 never came very close to either the Sun or Earth. It more than made up for that, though, with its enormous size. As a result, the comet grew brilliant and remained visible for many months. Astronomers first spotted the comet on March 25th, long before its closest approach. It passed nearest the Sun in September, and nearest Earth on October 20th. Even so, it never came closer to either body than the 93 million miles that separate the Sun and Earth. Seems to be awfully far away. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Comet_of_1811The Great Comet of 1811 was thought to have had an exceptionally large coma, perhaps reaching over 1 million miles across—fifty percent larger than the Sun ...and so, how would an object be observed as 50% larger than the Sun and be at such a distance? There is a lot of [purposeful?] misinformation and misinterpretation... ...more than enough evidence... ...immediate crater... ...melted and fused with vitrified sand and impact melt rock... ...girl's chest formed into rock... ...melt rock, fusion crust... Once you go through and study all the details, the evidence becomes overwhelming... Will this be reviewed? ;-] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:17 pm circumspice wrote: A self published paper with a publisher that has an open call for papers... hmmm... I take it that Tony Hood is Kalopin & that this 'paper' is his magnum opus... ...you're becoming an investigator?... ;-] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:28 pm A most amazing piece of lost history, this evidence will show that a meteor impact was the cause of the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812... There were many strange events during these years. A great comet appeared in the sky in March 1811, disappeared in June to late August and when reappeared was seen as one and a half times the size of the Sun in October. Observations saw the comet coming toward Earth and as it passed in front of the planet in late November/early December leaving a trail of debris, produced a serial impact, causing earthquakes, eruptions, extreme weather conditions and many disasters. Thousands of small meteors, made mainly of only ice and sand hit the eastern coast of the United States forming the Carolina bays, near this same moment in time Caracas, Venezuela had a major earthquake, killing many thousands and on December 16, 1811 at two-thirty in the morning, a meteor impacted northeastern Mississippi and was large enough to reshape the entire river valley... As this meteor was directed toward New Madrid , Missouri and was too far away to see the impact and happened at night, it was misunderstood as an earthquake, yet there were many accounts of meteoric lights across the skies, prior to the quake, some as far away as Savannah, Georgia, way too far to see any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights, black smoke, smells of sulfur, explosions and even rocks sounding as if "boiling and popping" Many stated they thought the comet had went down in the Ohio river or had "touched the mountain of California". In one account a man in Louisville, Kentucky said it was so bright, at two-thirty in the morning, that he could see a needle on the floor. In fact there are many historical accounts and stories describing a meteor impact. Though this information has been misunderstood by the misconceptions and the superstitions of a more primitive time, the evidence is now coming out. Not only the historical accounts but scientific and observational data, impactites [rocks] and all the satellite views agree and now, just recently, the impact site has been discovered. Just at the top of northeastern Marshall county, Mississippi and extending partly into Tennessee there is a circular structure, a central concave impression, which every hill in the valley emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. About a three mile diameter crater, near the middle there is a central rebound peak with many canyons and creeks running out from containing several spherule beds. Many unusual rocks were found with every aspect in appearance to impactites, meteorites and melt rock of all sorts. These rocks are from a meteor coming from the close passing of a comet and are among the rarest ever found... ...For further study, read the book "Travels to the equinoctial regions of America", chapter 14, by Alexander Von Humboldt, ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... ter14.html which has excellent accounts of the many disasters which occurred at this same moment in time and in the same area. This was much more than just a seismic event in the central United States, but a global catastrophe... The close passing of this sungrazer comet c/1811 f1 was the cause of the mini ice age from 1811-1817, the cause of the many quakes and eruptions including Mt. Tambora in 1815, "the year without a summer, 1816" and resulted in major climate change. It is a fact that temperatures have been rising ever since these events and the passing of this comet... This is an invitation to further investigate and explore a great amount of lost history and misunderstood science in hopes that all will learn from these past events, to be better prepared and be able to mitigate the effects from such a future occurrence... Start the adventure and get the book- "Kalopins Legacy 1811 a comet and a quake" [the above is an excerpt from "Museum receives Meteorites" on page 16-section 1 of "The South Reporter" Thursday, October 2, 2015 Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:25 pm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet#TailsThe streams of dust and gas each form their own distinct tail, pointing in slightly different directions. The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit in such a manner that it often forms a curved tail called the type II or dust tail.[51] At the same time, the ion or type I tail, made of gases, always points directly away from the Sun because this gas is more strongly affected by the solar wind than is dust, Probably the same way that people can decide that the dust and gas which makes up a comet's tail is actually an asteroid which landed in Missouri. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by E.P. Grondine » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:57 am Tom, your paper was not peer reviewed. Let me make this as clear as I can. Any impact capable of forming the circular feature you see, would have been visible for miles, and heard for miles. The area was inhabited at that tiem, and we would have had testimonies of it. We do not. In the old days, you cold have sent your research elsewhere, and other impact specialists would have told you the same thing. I'll also add that if it had of been a recent historical impact, other impact specialists would have spotted it long ago. Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes. E.P. Grondine Posts: 2279 Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:36 am Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:06 pm E.P. Grondine wrote: Tom, your paper was not peer reviewed. Let me make this as clear as I can. Any impact capable of forming the circular feature you see, would have been visible for miles, and heard for miles. The area was inhabited at that tiem, and we would have had testimonies of it. We do not. In the old days, you cold have sent your research elsewhere, and other impact specialists would have told you the same thing. I'll also add that if it had of been a recent historical impact, other impact specialists would have spotted it long ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3427&start=60 Something else concerning 1811 A Comet and A Quake, I may have mentioned how feared the Chickasaw were by explorers, after DeSoto tried to take some Chickasaw women and was almost killed, losing many men and horses, and we may have discussed there being very few settlers in the area, but I believe I may have forgotten to mention the fact that the Chickasaw had recently forced [yes, forced] the cavalry to remove more than 5,000 squatters from their land. This was accomplished successfully from 1809-1811: www.tolatsga.org/chick.html . As I stated, there were very few/if any settlers at or near this incident, although it would not matter, as all life was instantly vaporized...
P.P., do you know who the Chickasaw were? [notice the link was removed?]
Your real history is being systematically and purposely removed... why?
[see- www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1487 By 1809 there were an estimated 5,000 American squatters living on Chickasaw land. tngenweb.org/giles/early-history ... 20-part-2/ The federal government, however, was finding it difficult to negotiate new treaties with the Indians while failing to enforce old treaties, and shortly after taking office on Mar 4th, 1809, President James Madison sent urgent orders to Col. Return J. Meigs, an Indian agent at Hiwawassee garrison (present-day Kingston, Roane County, Tennessee) to expel the “Chickasaw land squatters.” President Madison’s motives may have also included hopes of weakening the alliance between the Indians and the British, but in any event, on 13 Apr 1809, Meigs notified the War Department that he and 30 men with one or two officers would leave Hiwassee on Sunday, April 16th, to effect the removal of the “intruders.” Meigs’ group then traveled 170 miles to Simms Settlement on the Elk River where, on May 27th, they removed 93 squatters from that locale, and a total of 166 overall. (2) ] So. if the Chickasaw were ready to fight for their land in 1809, why did they consider the land cursed and so easily cede it? Pride and greed continuously defeat science. There are certain individuals who do not care about science, history, education,...and care only for their reputation and money [grants]. They want to preserve the status quo, protect their mistaken beliefs and continue to teach students nonsense... My article is in the process of being peer reviewed... Please review the evidence for yourself, determine its accuracy, and, either form some legitimate rebuttal or help to put this in curriculum... There has never been an impact proven to be from a comet. Cometary impacts and impactites are not fully understood. This will be the first... [what "impact specialists"?!] so, explain the stratigraphy, the historical accounts, the impactites,... which all point to this scenario. Maybe just explain the rock I have that is shaped like a girl holding her chest, where you can clearly see her fingernail and a necklace she was wearing... How about explain what could weld rock and sand into man-made iron objects... I hope not to offend, but I feel it rather strange, and am quite dismayed to understand that I have been sitting on one of the most amazing discoveries and one of the greatest archaeological sites to ever exist and to have been met with such resistance, such a lack of investigation, with those in the position to purposely ignore, reject, marginalize,... these findings for so many years now. Now there are many hundreds, thousands that do understand and, once the "obstacles" are removed, our actual science and history will finally be taught in classrooms. Do you know any students? Do you know how much they pay? Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by E.P. Grondine » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:31 pm Tom - You and springhead deserve each other. Go. Just go. If you want to bother the 2012 cranks with your stuff, or Dennis Cox or David Hatcher's good friend Steve Garcia, do it. But I'm about to get real adult with you if you continue here. Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes. E.P. Grondine Posts: 2279 Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:36 am Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:31 am E.P. Grondine wrote: Tom - You and springhead deserve each other. Go. Just go. If you want to bother the 2012 cranks with your stuff, or Dennis Cox or David Hatcher's good friend Steve Garcia, do it. But I'm about to get real adult with you if you continue here. EP... You might want to put on your investigative reporter hat & begin by addressing him by his name... Twice now you've addressed him by the wrong name... "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by E.P. Grondine » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:18 am circumspice wrote: EP... You might want to put on your investigative reporter hat & begin by addressing him by his name... Twice now you've addressed him by the wrong name... Hi spice - When he was here before I identified him by his real name, and I don't want to waste another minute of my time with his "stuff". Since I published my book "Man and impact in the Americas", I have had various nuts bothering me with imaginary impacts, imaginary impact mechanics, imaginary readings of ancient texts, and imaginary orbital mechanics. Someitimes they have been polite, but often they have been very nasty and abusive. If I had money, and most of my brain left, I'd set up my own bbs where those who know their stuff could post immediately both impact research and news items. By crefully limiting participation a nice "hive mind" could be set up, and by the fast exchange of information the pace of research could be accelerated. Right now, I am working through the Massawomeke identity, the Patuxent identity, and the gun trade between the Massawomeke, Erie, French; and trying to locate Swedish and Dutch records of the Andaste (Susquehannock), and their firearms trade with them. Then there are the Pilgrims and their gun trade. I'd like to mention here that thousands of fossilized sharks teeth from the Calvert Cliffs were found near and are now on display at Portsmouth, Ohio. I wonder if any and what types of trade goods from the Ohio area will show up at the Pig's Point site. Be sure to watch Fletcher and myself's video on "Adena Monoliths": www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4OK8V ... Ofte_O_Rhp It is now in good enough shape for some serious post production work. These monoliths are likely to be added to Webb's list of the identifying features of Adena culture. So now I need to find out how to set up a 501-C. Also, I have very serious correspondence to take care of. Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes. E.P. Grondine Posts: 2279 Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:36 am Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:58 pm E.P. Grondine wrote: Tom - You and springhead deserve each other. Go. Just go. If you want to bother the 2012 cranks with your stuff, or Dennis Cox or David Hatcher's good friend Steve Garcia, do it. But I'm about to get real adult with you if you continue here. [typical...] D.P., as you may try and just brush this away [...and then try and advertise your crazy --...], the evidence exists, it is all there waiting to be studied... I suggest you take a peek, look a little further,... The rocks I have should be on display and be understood as cometary impactites, the rarest rocks in existence, when man met with comet and the largest meteor impact in the Americas ;-] Tecumseh was named for a comet ["Panther across the Sky"]. He predicted the comet in 1811. Tenskwatawa predicted the solar eclipse in 1806. They knew of the impending doom. The Chickasaw had already run out all the squatters and had made the U.S. government comply with their treaties. They felt no reason to join Tecumseh, because they knew they were feared... Tecumseh was angry, said he would stomp his foot upon return to Detroit... Read the accounts, there are so many to describe an impact. Several accounts of meteoric lights. Many thought the entire comet hit the Ohio or had touched the mountains in California. A guy in Louisville saaid he could see a needle on the floor, at 2:30 a./m.!... answer: what were the nearest towns to the proposed impact site?" what language did they speak? how well could they communicate what they experienced? what do the descriptions say? if this occurred today, would there be a similar outcome? This is simple- the comet passed over at the same time the quakes occurred. This is in every account. The impact crater and shockwave pattern are obvious features. The impactites were all found at the central rebound peak and show clear signs of melt, fusion crust, shatter cones, spherules,... [yes, this is an incredible find!] ...study it all. you don't know what you're missin'! ...now, come back with an argument... [hey, were all adults here ,so, go for it! ;-]
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by Kalopin » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:05 pm
E.P. Grondine wrote:
circumspice wrote:
EP...
You might want to put on your investigative reporter hat & begin by addressing him by his name... Twice now you've addressed him by the wrong name...
Hi spice -
When he was here before I identified him by his real name, and I don't want to waste another minute of my time with his "stuff".
Since I published my book "Man and impact in the Americas", I have had various nuts bothering me with imaginary impacts, imaginary impact mechanics,
imaginary readings of ancient texts, and imaginary orbital mechanics. Someitimes they have been polite, but often they have been very nasty and abusive.
If I had money, and most of my brain left, I'd set up my own bbs where those who know their stuff could post immediately both impact research and news items.
By crefully limiting participation a nice "hive mind" could be set up, and by the fast exchange of information the pace of research could be accelerated.
Right now, I am working through the Massawomeke identity, the Patuxent identity, and the gun trade between the Massawomeke, Erie, French; and trying to locate Swedish and Dutch records of the Andaste (Susquehannock), and their firearms trade with them.
Then there are the Pilgrims and their gun trade.
I'd like to mention here that thousands of fossilized sharks teeth from the Calvert Cliffs were found near and are now on display at Portsmouth, Ohio.
I wonder if any and what types of trade goods from the Ohio area will show up at the Pig's Point site.
Be sure to watch Fletcher and myself's video on "Adena Monoliths":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4OK8V ... Ofte_O_Rhp
It is now in good enough shape for some serious post production work.
These monoliths are likely to be added to Webb's list of the identifying features of Adena culture.
So now I need to find out how to set up a 501-C.
Also, I have very serious correspondence to take care of.
...care to work on something of real interest [gun trade?], like this impact site, maybe?
...after we verify my findings, I guess we could go through your -------- and go ahead and disprove it! b:-]]]]]]]
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by circumspice » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:50 pm
Tony Hood, aka/Kalopin has escaped from the booby hatch again!!!
"Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope
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Archaeologica.org Your source on the web for daily archaeology news! Skip to content Advanced search Board index ‹ Discussion Boards ‹ New World Change font size Print view FAQ Register Login Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 2 of 6 • 123456 Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:20 pm [uh, uha,... :-] [For those with an interest in actual science and history... [reality...]- ...this post is to inform serious researchers! that I have an article for peer review... ...and, hopefully, give better understanding to who the Chickasaw were and the only reason that the settlers were able to occupy their lands. A meteor impact took thousands of lives, destroyed their homes and moved all the land in the entire valley, changing every hill, river, stream,... until it was unrecognizable... The Chickasaw would have never just given their land away otherwise. They had to fight hard to earn it back, after the Yazoo had ran out their ancestors, the Mississippians, who were a tribe of gentle giants.[ this was one of the last tribes holding genetic coding left over from the lesser gravity days of the Pleistocene...] The Chickasaw were direct descendants of the Mississippians... This is for the countless number of Chickasaw, Choctaw, Cherokee,...who were killed instantly on December 16, 1811. This is to bring recognition to a great disaster, lost, to a time of superstitions and such primitive scientific understandings... Currently their are seismologists who want to say that it wouldn't have registered over 8 on the Richter but barely over 6. They are trying to say that the church-bells ringing throughout the northeast was just a myth,... They believe that only a couple/few hundred may have died, up and down the river... Once you go through it all, see that this was not just a seismic event in the central U.S., but was a global catastrophe... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:11 pm But what does any of it have to do with archaeology? Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by E.P. Grondine » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:42 pm Minimalist wrote: But what does any of it have to do with archaeology? What does any of it have to do with reality, except as an example of some "serious confusion"? Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes. E.P. Grondine Posts: 2279 Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:36 am Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:41 pm That's a fair question, too. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:58 pm Minimalist wrote: But what does any of it have to do with archaeology? As this research covers many disciplines, archaeology will be the starting point for understanding what had occurred... I have a large sight in need of exploration. You see the couple artifacts? They are only an example of what I have and is yet to be dug up. Not just a horseshoe and wagonwheel endcap, but I have found wheel spokes, chain links, encased bone,... All this has been formed to rock, vitrified.
I believe this was a Chickasaw village, or I have, at least, found what was a wagontrain, as there are so many artifacts...
[...but until this is taken seriously, and further investigated, it will remain unknown...]
[...and so, they ignored, they laughed, they fought, the truth wins...]
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by Minimalist » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:16 pm
I think you are still early in the Ignore Phase.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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by Kalopin » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:42 pm
Minimalist wrote:
I think you are still early in the Ignore Phase.
lol!, sadly, I have to agree. Though, there are quite a number good folks working to make this change, it appears the ones in the position and, even though the majority of which, I am most sure, understand its accuracy, happen to be the very same ones who would want to protect the status quo...
[PDF]Seismic Hazards of the Upper Mississippi Embayment...
www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA337348
File format:Adobe PDF
Jan 1, 1998 ... Geologic History of the Mississippi Embayment 3. Structure of the ... The report was prepared by Dr. Roy Van Arsdale, University of Memphis,.
The Mississippi's Curious Origins - Scientific...
www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... curious/...
By Roy B. Van Arsdale and Randel T. Cox on January 1, 2007 ... range was cleaved in two, leaving room for the Mississippi River to flow into the Gulf of Mexico
[PDF]Roy Van Arsdale Department of Earth Sciences...
earthquake.usgs.gov/hazards/about/workshops/CEUS-WORKSHP/2.2...
File format:Adobe PDF
New Madrid seismic zone in northern. Mississippi embayment . Stars are large earthquakes of. 1811-1812 (from. Csontos and Van. Arsdale, 2008)
Professor Melosh selected as Purdue's 2014 McCoy...
www.purdue.edu/.../professor-mel ... as-purdu...
Jun 16, 2014 · Jay Melosh, a distinguished professor internationally known for his work on impact cratering, planetary tectonics, and the physics of earthquakes and ...
H. Jay Melosh - nasonline.org
www.nasonline.org/member-directo ... 52639.html
Aug 01, 2016 · H. Jay Melosh Purdue ... of impact cratering. I also maintain an active research program focused on terrestrial and planetary tectonics and the physics of ...
Long Term Deformation in the Mississippi Embayment...
www.ceri.memphis.edu/people/mmag ... missrive...
Long Term Deformation in the Mississippi Embayment ... paradox it has been proposed that the seismicity in the NMSZ is ... M.Beatrice Magnani (CERI) Kirk ...
Seismological Research Letters
srl.geoscienceworld.org/content/87/1/229
... (DES) and Gary Patterson ... (NMSZ) in the central ... Seismological Research Letters Jan 2016, 87 (1) 229-254; DOI: 10.1785/0220150245
Crust and upper mantle structure of the New Madrid...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0114000296
The black dashed line shows the estimated boundary of the Mississippi embayment, ... the crust and upper mantle under the NMSZ and its ... usgs.gov /research/cus ...
Historic Earthquakes - USGS Earthquake Hazard...
earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-18...
Oct 30, 2012 · The New Madrid Seismic Zone is ... after the Missouri town that was the largest settlement on the Mississippi ... earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes ...
Christine Powell Research - CERI - University of...
www.memphis.edu › CERI › Research at CERI
Christine Powell Research. My research interests center on understanding why earthquakes occur in continental intraplate seismic zones.
New Madrid Seismic Zone (NMSZ) - CERI - University...
www.memphis.edu › CERI › WGDC
Research. Welcome; Research Resources; Centers/Chairs of Excellence; Centers and Institutes; FedEx Institute of Technology; electronic Research Administration (eRA)
The New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812 - CERI
www.ceri.memphis.edu/~ellis/NMSZ/nmsz.h...
The Bhuj earthquake occurred about 400 to 600 km ... the Bhuj earthquake is analogous to the New Madrid earthquakes. ... that are currently underway by CERI ...
...
["...but my reputation?!"..."...but my grant money?!..."]
...this has been going on for way too long. I have to try and explain to students and recent graduates, some of which are in real debt, and most are quite upset to find they were taught and graded on someone's guesses, knowing the price they paid...
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
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00HQGR0031 Roy Van Arsdale Central and Eastern U.S. Surficial geologic and liquefaction susceptibility mapping in Shelby County, Tennessee University of Memphis download
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01HQGR0052 Randel Cox Central and Eastern U.S. Investigation of seismically-induced liquefaction in the southern Mississippi Embayment University of Memphis download
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02HQGR0053 Roy Van Arsdale Central and Eastern U.S. Investigation of faulting beneath the city of Memphis and Shelby County, Tennessee University of Memphis download
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02HQGR0077 Charles Langston Central and Eastern U.S. ESEE - Embayment Seismic Excitation Experiment: Collaborative Research with CERI and the U. S. Geological Survey University of Memphis download
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03HQGR0011 Randel Cox Central and Eastern U.S. Investigation of seismically-induced liquefaction in the southern Mississippi embayment ($24,994; February 2003 through January 2004) University of Memphis download
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G10AP00007 Kim Olsen Central and Eastern U.S. 3D Broadband Ground Motion Estimation for Large Earthquakes on the New Madrid Seismic Zone, Central United States ($43,866; January 2010 through December 2011) San Diego State University download
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G10AP00008 Charles Langson and Stephen Horton Central and Eastern U.S. 3D Seismic Velocity Model for the Unconsolidated Mississippi Embayment Sediments from H/V Ambient Noise Measurements ($74,837; January 2010 through December 2010) University of Memphis download
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G10AP00012 Maria Beatrice-Magnani Central and Eastern U.S. Characterizing the geometry and time of deformation of the Meeman-Shelby Fault, near Memphis, TN ($152,810; January 2010 through September 2012) University of Memphis download
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G10AP00013 Heather DeShon Central and Eastern U.S. Imaging Body Wave Attenuation Heterogeneity within the New Madrid Seismic Zone using Local Earthquakes ($64,361; January 2010 through December 2010) University of Memphis download
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G10AP00014 Laurence Becker & Edward Fratto Central and Eastern U.S. Utilizing the Surficial Geology of the Northeast United States to Improve NEHRP Site Effect Classifications in HAZUS-MH ($14,908; January 2010 through June 2011) Northeast States Emergency Consortium (NESEC) download
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G10AP00020 Guoqing Lin Central and Eastern U.S. Improving Three-Dimensional Seismic Velocity Models and Earthquake Location for Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands: Collaborative Research between University of Miami and University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez ($40,000; February 2010 thru July 2011) University of Miami download
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G10AP00021 Victor Huerfano Moreno Central and Eastern U.S. Improving Three-Dimensional Seismic Velocity Models and Earthquake Location for Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands: Collaborative Research between University of Miami and University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez ($24,249; February 2010 thru July 2011) University of Puerto Rico Mayaguez download
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G10AP00022 Eric Calais Central and Eastern U.S. Intraplate strain and stress in the North American plate interior: Collaborative Research with Purdue University and University of Wisconsin ($140,323; January 2010 through December 2013) Purdue University download
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G10AP00037 John Ebel Central and Eastern U.S. Analysis of Aftershock Sequences for Use in Predicting Aftershock Probabilities Immediately Following Strong Earthquakes ($42,867; January 2010 through December 2010) Boston College download
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G10AP00070 Luis Suarez and Miguel Pando Central and Eastern U.S. Ambient Vibrations Measurements for Estimation of Site Fundamental Periods at the City of Mayaguez, Puerto Rico ($26,550; May 2010 through October 2011) University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez download
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G10AP00074 David Gaunt Central and Eastern U.S. Detailed Surficial Materials Mapping for the Kampville and Saint Charles 7.5 Quadrangles as a Portion of the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project (SLAEHMP)($56,693; July 2010 through June 2011) Missouri Department of Natural Resources download
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G10AP00083 Roland LaForge Central and Eastern U.S. Analysis of the Effects of the 1918 Puerto Rico Earthquake and Calibration of Puerto Rico Shakemap Parameters: Collaborative Research with William McCann and William Lettis and Associates, Inc. ($30,994; April 2010 through March 2011) William Lettis & Associates, Inc. download
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G10AP00084 William McCann Central and Eastern U.S. Analysis of the Effects of the 1918 Puerto Rico Earthquake and Calibration of Puerto Rico Shakemap Parameters: Collaborative Research with William McCann and William Lettis and Associates, Inc. ($30,804; April 2010 through March 2011) William McCann download
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G10AP00096 Peggy Young and Joseph Gillman Central and Eastern U.S. CUSEC State Geologist Earthquake Hazard Mapping Preparedness and Outreach Associated with Central U.S. Seismicity ($96,262; May 2010 through December 2013) Central U.S. Earthquake Consortium download
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G10AP00152 Gary Patterson Central and Eastern U.S. CERI Education and Outreach (formerly PERC, Public Earthquake Resource Center)($65,000; September 2010 through September 2013) University of Memphis download
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G11AP20011 Ronald Counts and Lewis Owen Central and Eastern U.S. Determining the Deformation History of a Newly Discovered Holocene Fault in the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone, Western Kentucky: Collaborative Research between the Kentucky Geological Survey and the University of Cincinnati ($57,623; December 2010 through April 2012) Kentucky Geological Survey download
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G11AP20013 Lewis Owen and Ronald Counts Central and Eastern U.S. Determining the Deformation History of a Newly Discovered Holocene Fault in the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone, Western Kentucky: Collaborative Research between the Kentucky Geological Survey and the University of Cincinnati ($$33,046; December 2010 through April 2012) University of Cincinnati download
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G11AP20034 John Ebel Central and Eastern U.S. A Detailed Database of Mw>4.0 Earthquakes Since 1700 for the CEUS ($67,841; January 2011 through December 2011) Boston College download
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G11AP20035 John Baldwin & Robert Givler Central and Eastern U.S. Geophysical and Paleoseismic Investigation of the Commerce Geophysical Lineament, Qulin, southeast Missouri ($84,182; January 2011 through August 2014) Fugro William Lettis & Associates, Inc. download
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G11AP20043 Martin Chapman Central and Eastern U.S. Reprocessing and Interpretation of an Industry Seismic Reflection Profile Across the South Georgia Rift in the Epicentral Area of the 1886 Charleston, South Carolina Earthquake ($88,879; January 2011 through August 2012) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University download
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G11AP20122 Roy Van Arsdale Central and Eastern U.S. Seismological Society of America 2011 Field Trip: Fault Trench Site in the New Madrid Seismic Zone ($4788; April 2011 through June 2011) University of Memphis download
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G11AP20124 Chris Cramer Central and Eastern U.S. Liquefaction Hazard Maps for the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project: Collaborative Research with the Missouri University of Science and Technology and the University of Memphis ($24,845; April 2011 through March 2012) Univesity of Memphis download
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G11AP20125 David Rogers Central and Eastern U.S. Liquefaction Hazard Maps for the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project: Collaborative Research with the Missouri University of Science and Technology and the University of Memphis ($50,000; April 2011 through March 2012) Missouri University download
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G11AP20141 Martin Chapman Central and Eastern U.S. Experiment to Determine Hypocenters and Focal Mechanisms of Earthquake Occurring in Association with Imaged Faults Near Summerville, South Carolina ($78,045; May 2011 through December 2012) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University download
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G11AP20156 Edward Woolery Central and Eastern U.S. Towards Construction of the Central United States Seismic Observatory and Calibration Site: Defining the Geologic Site Model-Part 2 ($67,672; June 2011 through December 2012) University of Kentucky download
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G11AP20174 Edith Starbuck Central and Eastern U.S. Detailed Surficial Materials Mapping for the Creve Couer and Kirkwook 7.5 Minute Quadrangles as a Portion of the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project (SLAEHMP)($59,924; July 2011 through December 2012) Missouri Department of Natural Resources download
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G11AP20178 Haydar Al-Shukri Central and Eastern U.S. Eastern Section of the Seismological Society of America 2011 Field Trip-Trenching Support for Paleoliquefaction Stop in the Marianna, AR, Area October 16-18, 2011 ($5,000; September 2011 through December 2011) University of Arkansas at Little Rock download
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G11AP20192 Jennifer Haase Central and Eastern U.S. Effects of 3-D Wave Propagation in Evansville and Impacts on Infrastructure ($125,480; August 2011 through August 2013) Purdue University Final Technical Report Due November 2013 2011
G12AC20211 Edith Starbuck Central and Eastern U.S. Surficial Materials Mapping of the Chesterfield, House Springs, Manchester, Maxville and Weldon Spring 7.5 Minute Quadrangles, and Vs Profiles for the Western Portion of the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project ($60,000; July 2012 through June 2013) Missouri Department of Natural Resources download
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G12AP20000 Martitia Tuttle Central and Eastern U.S. Paleotsunami Record of Large Offshore Earthquakes North of Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands ($64,100; January 2012 through June 2014) M. Tuttle & Associates Final Technical Report Due September 2014 2012
G12AP20001 Cliff Frohlich Central and Eastern U.S. Induced Earthquakes in Texas: Preliminary Comparison of Sites Where they Occur and Do Not Occur ($81,828; December 2011 through November 2012) University of Texas Austin download
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G12AP20002 Russell Green Central and Eastern U.S. Implications from Liquefaction Observations in New Zealand for Interpreting Paleoliquefaction Data in the CEUS ($76,150; December 2011 through August 2013) Virginia Polytechnic Institute download
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G12AP20012 Shu-Chioung Chiu, Charles Langston, Jer-Ming Chiu & Mitch Withers Central and Eastern U.S. Imaging Shallow Crustal Structure in the Upper Mississippi Embayment using Local Earthquake Data ($44,149; January 2012 through March 2014) University of Memphis download
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G12AP20031 Kevin Furlong Central and Eastern U.S. The Intraplate Earthquake Cycle:Strain and Displacement Behavior During the Canterbury, NZ Earthquake Sequence ($48,605; January 2012 through December 2012) Pennsylvania State University download
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G12AP20042 Ronald Counts Central and Eastern U.S. Paleoseismic Investigation of the Meadow Bank Lineament in the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone: Collaborative Research between the University of Illinois and the University of Kentucky ($4,056; March 2012 through February 2013) University of Kentucky Relinquished to University of Illinois 2012
G12AP20045 Timothy Larson, Andrew Phillips, Ahmed Ismail & Scott Elrick Central and Eastern U.S. Paleoseismic Investigation of the Meadow Bank Lineament in the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone($5,999; March 2012 through January 2014) University of Illinois download
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G12AP20068 Martitia Tuttle Central and Eastern U.S. Filling the Gap in the Paleoearthquake Record between the New Madrid and Wabash Valley Seismic Zones ($75,000; September 2012 through October 2016) M. Tuttle & Associates Final Technical Report Due January 2017 2012
G12AP20079 Chris Cramer and Gary Patterson Central and Eastern U.S. Updating and Expanding Urban Seismic Hazard Maps and Public Outreach for Memphis and Shelby County, TN ($88,066; May 2012 through April 2013) University of Memphis 2012
G12AP20079 Chris Cramer and Gary Patterson Central and Eastern U.S. Updating and Expanding Urban Seismic Hazard Maps and Public Outreach for Memphis and Shelby County, TN ($88,066; May 2012 through April 2013) University of Memphis download
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G12AP20082 Paul Somerville & Sidao Ni Central and Eastern U.S. Estimating Site Response by Constraining Shallow Velocity Structure with Local P Waves in the Central and Eastern US ($58,104; May 2012 through April 2013) URS Group, Inc. download
2012
G12AP20093 Haydar Al-Shukri & Hanan Mahdi Central and Eastern U.S. Geophysical and Paleoseismic Investigations of Large Sand Blows along a Northwest-Oriented Lineament near Marianna, Arkansas ($91,399; June 2012 through May 2015) University of Arkansas at Little Rock download
2012
G12AP20099 Randel Tom Cox Central and Eastern U.S. Investigation of the Magnitude and Timing of Paleo-Earthquakes in Southeast Arkansas ($48,053; July 2012 through July 2013) University of Memphis download
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G12AP20101 Stephen Horton Central and Eastern U.S. Seismic Hazard from Induced Earthquakes in Arkansas($58,000; June 2012 through May 2015) University of Memphis Final Technical Report Due August 2015 2012
G12AP20136 Heather DeShon Central and Eastern U.S. Integrating USArray and Cooperative New Madrid Seismic Network Data to Establish Central US Catalog Location and Magnitude Sensitivities ($13,649; September 2012 through December 2012) Southern Methodist University, Inc. download
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G12AP20150 Jennifer Haase Central and Eastern U.S. Effects of 3-D Wave Propagation in Evansville and Impacts on Infrastructure ($59,475; October 2012 through December 2013) University of California San Diego download
2012
G13AP00019 Paul Segall Central and Eastern U.S. Network Based Estimates of Strain-Rate and Uncertainty in the Central U.S.($70,693; April 2013 through March 2015) Stanford University Final Technical Report Due June 2015 2013
G13AP00024 Heather Savage and Geoffrey Abers Central and Eastern U.S. The 2011 Oklahoma Earthquake Sequence and the Role of Fluid Injection in Triggering Earthquakes: Collaborative Research with the University of Oklahoma and Columbia University ($37,225; April 2013 through November 2014) Columbia University download
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G13AP00042 Martin Chapman & John Hole Central and Eastern U.S. Study of Near-Source Geometrical Spreading and Radiation Pattern Effects from the Aftershocks of the 2011 Virginia Earthquake ($51,804; July 2013 through December 2014) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University download
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G13AP00043 John Ebel Central and Eastern U.S. Hypocenter and Focal Mechanism Determination of the August 23, 2011 Virginia Earthquake Aftershock Sequence:Collaborative Research with VA Tech and Boston College ($39,894; July 2013 through December 2014) Boston College download
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G13AP00044 Martin Chapman Central and Eastern U.S. Hypocenter and Focal Mechanism Determination of the August 23, 2011 Virginia Earthquake Aftershock Sequence:Collaborative Research with VA Tech and Boston College ($59,830; July 2013 through December 2014) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University download
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G13AP00045 Martitia Tuttle Central and Eastern U.S. Earthquake Potential of the Central Virginia Seismic Zone ($62,000; August 2013 through July 2015) M.Tuttle & Associates download
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G13AP00046 Chris Cramer Central and Eastern U.S. A Proposal in Support of the St. Louis Area Earthquake Hazards Mapping Project: Completion of the Final 12 SLAEHMP Seismic and Liquefaction Hazard Maps ($58,013; July 2013 through December 2016) University of Memphis Final Technical Report Due March 2017 2013
G13AP00049 Phyllis Steckel Central and Eastern U.S. Earthquake Insight for Key Central and Eartern US Decision-Makers and Policy-Makers: Extrapolating Proven Outreach Methods to New Areas and New Audiences ($46,060; July 2013 through June 2014) Earthquake Insight LLC download
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G13AP00062 John Baldwin Central and Eastern U.S. Geophysical and Paleoseismic Investigation of the Big Creek Fault Zone, near West Helena, Arkansas: Collaborative Research with Millsaps College and Lettis Consultants International, Inc.($70,560; September 2013 through August 2016) Lettis Consultants International Final Technical Report Due November 2016 2013
G13AP00064 James Harris Central and Eastern U.S. Geophysical and Paleoseismic Investigation of the Big Creek Fault Zone, near West Helena, Arkansas: Collaborative Research with Millsaps College and Lettis Consultants International, Inc. ($49,864; September 2013 through August 2016) Millsaps College Final Technical Report Due November 2016 2013
G13AP00067 Gail Atkinson Central and Eastern U.S. Constraints on Source and Attenuation Parameters for moderate earthquakes in the CEUS ($39,200; September 2013 through August 2014) Gail Atkinson download
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G13AP00076 Martin Chapman, James Martin & Guney Olgun Central and Eastern U.S. Site Response and Soil Amplification in the National Capital Region During the 2011 Virginia Earthquake-Development of Region-Specific Site Amplification Factors ($79,932; September 2013 through May 2015) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University download
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G14AP00001 Kathleen Keranen Central and Eastern U.S. Evaluating the Role of Injected Fluid in Triggering the 2011 Oklahoma Earthquake Sequence: Collaborative Research with Cornell University and Columbia University ($14,641; November 2013 through November 2014) Cornell University download
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G14AP00008 Andreas Skarlatoudis, Paul Somerville, Hong Kie Thio & Jeff Bayless Central and Eastern U.S. Magnitude Estimates for the 1811-1812 New Madrid Seismic Zone Earthquakes using Large Scale Numerical Simulations: Implications for the Seismic Hazard in Urban Areas around the Mississippi Embayment ($64,723; January 2014 through September 2015) URS Group, Inc. 2014
G14AP00013 Roy Van Arsdale Central and Eastern U.S. Seismic Potential of the New Madrid Seismic Zones Reelfoot Fault: Collaborative with University of Memphis and University of Kentucky ($17,281; January 2014 through April 2015) University of Memphis download
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G14AP00014 Edward Woolery Central and Eastern U.S. Seismic Potential of the New Madrid Seismic Zone’s Reelfoot Fault: Collaborative Research with the University of Memphis and University of Kentucky ($45,581; January 2014 through April 2015) University of Kentucky download
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G14AP00015 Benjamin Kozlowicz Central and Eastern U.S. Evaluation of Earthquake Magnitude from the Kentucky Bend Scarp, central New Madrid Seismic Zone – A Paleoseismic Assessment ($64,540; January 2014 through June 2015) URS Corporation Final Technical Report Due September 2015 2014
G14AP00016 Miaki Ishii Central and Eastern U.S. Digitization of Analogue Seismograms for Improved Seismicity Constraints in the Northeastern United States ($17,030; January 2014 through December 2014) Harvard University download
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G14AP00023 Steven Jaume Central and Eastern U.S. Charleston, SC Area Earthquake Hazard Mapping Project (CAEHMP) Workshop and Pilot Study: Collaborative Research with College of Charleston and University of Memphis ($47,659; January 2014 through January 2015) College of Charleston download
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G14AP00024 Chris Cramer Central and Eastern U.S. Charleston, SC Area Earthquake Hazard Mapping Project (CAEHMP) Workshop and Pilot Study: Collaborative Research with College of Charleston and University of Memphis ($28,968; January 2014 through January 2015) University of Memphis download
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G14AP00031 Kevin Franke Central and Eastern U.S. Development and evaluation of simplified performance-based procedures for the estimation of liquefaction-induced lateral spread displacements and seismic slope displacements ($78,380; March 2014 through August 2015) Brigham Young University download
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G14AP00031 Kevin Franke Central and Eastern U.S. Development and evaluation of simplified performance-based procedures for the estimation of liquefaction-induced lateral spread displacements and seismic slope displacements ($78,380; March 2014 through August 2015) Brigham Young University download
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G14AP00036 Eric Sandvol Central and Eastern U.S. Seismic Attenuation and Hazard in the Central and Eastern U.S. ($48,942; April 2014 through March 2016) University of Missouri download
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G14AP00037 Paul Segall Central and Eastern U.S. Network Based Estimates of Strain-rate and Uncertainty in the Central U.S.($33,034; April 2014 through March 2015) Stanford University download
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G14AP00046 Russell Green Central and Eastern U.S. Development of Region-Specific Magnitude Bound Curves for CEUS Paleoliquefaction Data Interpretation ($78,701; May 2014 through May 2016) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Final Technical Report Due August 2016 2014
G14AP00060 Laurie Baise Central and Eastern U.S. Near Surface Sediment Model and Site Response for Boston: Collaborative Research with Tufts University and Boston College ($76,895; June 2014 through September 2015) Tufts University download
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G14AP00061 John Ebel Central and Eastern U.S. Near Surface Sediment Model and Site Response for Boston: Collaborative Research with Tufts University and Boston College ($54,665; June 2014 through August 2015) Boston College download
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G14AP00099 Chris Cramer, Gary Patterson & David Arellano Central and Eastern U.S. Updating Liquefaction Probability Curves, Seismic Hazard Model, and Urban Seismic Hazard Maps with Public Outreach for Memphis and Shelby County, Tennessee ($81,126; August 2014 through July 2015) University of Memphis download
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G14AP00102 Ellen Rathje Central and Eastern U.S. Development of Calibrated Site Amplification Models for Application in Central and Eastern North America: Collaborative Research with UCLA, UIUC, and UT ($56,832; August 2014 through June 2016) University of Texas Final Technical Report due September 2016 2014
G14AP00103 Jonathan Stewart Central and Eastern U.S. Development of Calibrated Site Amplification Models for Application in Central and Eastern North America: Collaborative Research with UCLA, UIUC, and UT ($54,434; August 2014 through June 2016) University of California, Los Angeles Final Technical Report Due September 2016 2014
G14AP00104 Youssef Hashash Central and Eastern U.S. Development of Calibrated Site Amplification Models for Application in Central and Eastern North America: Collaborative Research with UCLA, UIUC, and UT ($48,604; August 2014 through June 2016) University of Illinois Final Technical Report Due September 2016 2014
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...not even to mention the many millions spent to study the Mississippi embayment and the NMSZ prior to presenting my research, please see the amount of funding given to those who were fully aware of my findings since...
...are you all willing to let this fraud, waste and abuse continue?, knowing the amount of evidence pointing to a meteor impact?...
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Minimalist » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:22 pm
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 ... /89824558/
Oklahoma regulators on Saturday shut down 37 wastewater wells connected to oil and gas production after a magnitude-5.6 earthquake — matching the strongest quake ever to hit the state — jolted north-central Oklahoma.
And nary a meteor in sight.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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by Kalopin » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:17 pm
Minimalist wrote:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/03/56-magnitude-quake-rocks-oklahoma/89824558/
Oklahoma regulators on Saturday shut down 37 wastewater wells connected to oil and gas production after a magnitude-5.6 earthquake — matching the strongest quake ever to hit the state — jolted north-central Oklahoma.
And nary a meteor in sight.
I'm missing your point... I am not trying to, nor have I ever tried to say that a meteor impact would be the only source for tectonic activity. In fact, there are many causes for earthquakes. ...
The quakes you refer to were mostly of an anthropogenic form, caused by man-made activity...
[...and another good example of how greed defeats science!]
There are many to understand that the process of fracking is a flawed [and VERY stupid!] form of extraction...
As I do not agree with ANY extraction [don't need it!], it is well known within the geologist's community that fracturing tectonic plates and removing oil and gasses [pressure!], not only will cause aquifers to be poisoned and excessive amounts of earthquakes, but will diminish the integrity of the plate...
The more the plates are cracked, the more pressure and weight that is removed and displaced will cause the plates to move, producing more tectonic activity and, in this case, allow the north American plate to ride up further across the Juan de Fuca plate and push down further across the Pacific plate, riding up on top of it, and, if the Pacific plate does not split near the middle, where it is already cracked from the Aleutian islands down to the Hawaiian islands [which will still be quite catastrophic], will force itself up on the Eurasian plate, pushing down, sinking the islands of Japan, along with much of China and Russia,...
[...certain [sicko] members of the oligarchy are encouraging certain forms of population control...]
[...though I am not sure that those with the "privileged information" are fully aware of the consequences...]
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Minimalist » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:01 pm
Observations made at the time indicate that the comet of 1811 never came closer than one A.U. from earth. You do need to overcome that problem.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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by Kalopin » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:26 pm
Minimalist wrote:
Observations made at the time indicate that the comet of 1811 never came closer than one A.U. from earth. You do need to overcome that problem.
...if you will please go through the historical accounts, as that is all there is, then you will see a plethora of observations, [from the southern hemisphere as well], indicating the comet was on a very close path.
The comet was observed [not measured] as fifty percent larger than Sun in October 1811 and Herschel saw the tail becoming much shorter in mid- November 1811, [because it was coming toward him,] it was observed as being very bright in the sky in early December,
New Madrid 1811-12 Earthquakes, Steamboat & Comet...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TweESLlUDk
Sep 18, 2013 ... The forgotten earthquakes of America, and a warning of earthquake... ... 6th when a bright comet appeared in the early morning sky in the fall of 1811. ... The sky was filled with a haze and the land looked like ocean waves.
www.hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/ne ... 8_1811.jpg then they were unable to observe it agaIn, because of the weather, [caused by the comet], until it was observed going away in early January 1812...
Perfect timing for all the disasters which occurred and are recorded in history books, waiting to be understood, [what exactly these people actually bore witness to...]
Please don't just assume that those who speculate are accurate... They have all taken hear-say evidence and distorted history, by missing out and not putting together all the details, all the reports and stories of each and every disaster, as so many were the result of C/1811 F1...
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Minimalist » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:31 pm
Please don't just assume that those whose speculate are accurate...
Obviously, you don't apply that to your speculations, though.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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by Kalopin » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:57 pm
Minimalist wrote:
Please don't just assume that those whose speculate are accurate...
Obviously, you don't apply that to your speculations, though.
...as there was no way to measure an object in space with any accuracy in 1811 and there is no other option but to interpret what was reported.
That is why I ask you to look through the accounts [especially Humboldt's research...].
Then base all speculation on actual science, satellite views, dendrology, impactites, topographical maps, available scientific and observational data,...
...add all this to the many historical accounts, newspaper articles, Herschel's and other astronomers observations [...and even link the comet's path to the debris trail we pass every year in early December, known as the Geminids meteor showers]
...add this to the weather reports, the many earthquakes, eruptions, extreme storms, instant drops in temperatures, major changes in climate, [wars, plagues,...] cooling the planet and causing a mini-ice age from 1811-1817 and eventually, through all the tectonic activity, causing the eruption of Mt. Tambora and "the year without a summer 1816"...
All these disasters which occurred were the result of the close passing of Tecumseh's comet...
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by Kalopin » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:06 pm
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From: (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe)
Subject: PANTHER-ACROSS-THE-SKY: Tecumseh & the New Madrid Earthquake, December, 1811
Summary: biography of Tecumseh & his prophecy of most violent N.American quake
Keywords: New Madrid, ILL earthquake--biggest in N. American recorded history
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another remarkable compilation of the "forgotten past", thanks to David Yarrow
This true story reveals a hidden dimension to American History and Geology which shakes not only the earth, but our very rational conceptions of the relationship between Science and Spirit, between Geology and Gaia. This is what I call "Herstory," and it is covered up because it forces us to confront certain political, racial and spiritual realities that are embarrassingly inconsistent with official dogmas. Yet, any thoughtful person must give a long pause to contemplate the implications of this untold tale.
What might any geologist give to know how Tecumseh was able to predict with such accuracy? Most likely, what a geologist would have to sacrifice are his own sacrosant beliefs in the separation of Science and Spirit.
PANTHER-ACROSS-THE-SKY
Tecumseh and the New Madrid Earthquake
written 11pm 11/8/91 by David Yarrow
"The story you are about to be told is true...." Indeed, the three responses to this topic are excerpts taken from "The Frontiersmen," an authentic historical novel describing how the white man took the Ohio Valley and Kentucky from the Indians. The events they describe are also recorded in several other authentic historical novels, one of which is the biography of Tecumseh entitled "Panther-Across-the-Sky," which, unfortunately, I've not had the opportunity to read yet.
When I studied Earth Science, I learned about the New Madrid earthquake -- the most violent and destructive tremor ever to strike North America in recorded history. Centered in New Madrid, Illinois, where the Ohio and Missouri rivers meet the Mississippi, this massive quake severely shook the entire eastern half of the continent. Chimneys fell all the way up in Maine from this one. And it wasn't merely a single quake, but a series of them spanning a period of four months.
The New Madrid quake is especially intriguing not only because of its unparalleled power, but also because it occurred in an area which is normally devoid of tectonic activity, including earthquakes. The implication is that this monster quake originated far deeper in the North American crust than is usual for an earthquake.
When I studied American History, I learned about William Henry Harrison, a U.S. military leader on the western frontier who had to confront the great Indian leader Tecumseh, who tried in a prolonged process of diplomacy to unite the Indian tribes into a grand confederacy. Although Harrison never actually fought Tecumseh, he later went on to be elected President of the United States, largely on the strength of his reputation as a frontier Indian fighter -- a warrior image that continues to hold great charisma in the American psyche. Tecumseh, too, was portrayed in my history lessons as a great and powerful warrior, whereas he was in truth a diplomat, a peacemaker and, most intriguing of all, a prophet.
However, what I was never was taught by either Earth Science of American History is that Tecumseh didn't merely predicted the New Madrid earthquake. In truth, Tecumseh didn't merely "predict" this tectonic event, he actually "prophesied" this greatest earthquake ever to hit the continent. Tecumseh's prophecy was given many months in advance of the quake, and was accurate down to the very day it occurred. One of the odd enigmas of truth hidden under the veneer of American History is that this quake was actually his signal to the Indians of North America to unite in an army and drive the invading, land stealing whites off the continent.
This true story reveals a hidden dimension to American History and Geology which shakes not only the earth, but our very rational conceptions of the relationship between Science and Spirit, between Geology and Gaia. This is what I call "Herstory," and it is covered up because it forces us to confront certain political, racial and spiritual realities that are embarrassingly inconsistent with official dogmas. Yet, any thoughtful person must give a long pause to contemplate the implications of this untold tale.
What might any geologist give to know how Tecumseh was able to predict with such accuracy? Most likely, what a geologist would have to sacrifice are his own sacrosant beliefs in the separation of Science and Spirit.
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Tecumseh and the New Madrid Earthquake
Part One: Tecumseh's Birth and Boyhood
[The following narrative is taken from The Frontiersman by Allan W. Eckert (© 1967). In the Author's Note, Eckert wrote: "This book is fact, not fiction. Certain techniques normally associated with the novel form have been utilized, but in no case has this been at the expense of historical accuracy. In no case has there been any 'whole cloth' fabrication or fanciful fictionalization. Equally, every incident described in this book actually occurred; every date is historically accurate; and every character, regardless of how major or minor, actually lived the role in which he is portrayed."]
Wednesday, March 9, 1768
As he had done on occasion ever since childhood, the Shawnee chief Pucksinwah contemplated the multitude of stars sparkling with such life and beauty in the deep cloudless and moonless sky. Now that the fire had died to a dim orange bed of coals and the women squatted around it had lapsed into uncommon silence, these jewels of the night seemed to draw even closer and become more tangible, as if waiting to be plucked.
Only rarely was the stillness broken by a soft cry from within the hastily erected shelter beyond the fire where Methotasa -- A-Turtle-Laying-Her-Eggs-in-the-Sand -- waited delivery of her child. It would have been better had they been able to continue the journey to Chillicothe. The village was only three arrow flights to the northwest of them, but the time to bear fruit had come and further travel, however short, would have been dangerous to both Methotasa and the infant.
Though extremely anxious to reach this principal town of the Chalahgawtha sept, Pucksinwah nevertheless stayed behind with his 12-year-old son, Chiksika, and 10-year-old daughter, Tecumapese, along with half a dozen women of his clan who would help in the delivery. The remainder of his Kispokotha sept of the Shawnees he sent on to the village with word of his whereabouts and his promise to appear on the morrow at the large msi-kah-mi-qui, or council house.
Nearly 600 strong, these followers of his represented about two-thirds of the population of Kispoko Town on the west bank of the Scioto River. Similar groups from the other four Shawnee septs were also converging for this highly important council at Chillicothe. For over five years tribal representatives had been meeting here at intervals in an effort to decide what the Shawnees, as a nation, must do about the white man who, despite those treaties forbidding it, was crossing the mountains to the east and spilling into the valleys of the Monongahela and Youghiogheny and Allegheny.
Although the Shawnee septs were individual entities and governed themselves, each was an important branch of the Shawnee tribe as a whole, and each had a distinct office or duty to perform for the benefit of the tribe. The Peckuwe sept, for instance, had charge of the maintenance of order or duty, and looked after the celebration of matters pertaining to Shawnee religion. It was to this sept that Methotasa had belonged before Pucksinwah had taken her as wife.
The Maykujay clan controlled matters pertaining to health, medicine and food. The Kispokotha sept, on the other hand, was in charge of all circumstances of warfare, including the preparation and training of warriors.
But the two most powerful septs were the Thawegila and Chalahgawtha, which had charge of all things political and all matters affecting the entire tribe. These two septs were equal in power, and from one of them the principal chief of the Shawnees had to come. The chiefs of the other septs were subordinate to the principal chief in all matters of importance to the tribe but, in circumstances pertaining to their own jurisdiction, they were independent chiefs. The Thawegila, Kispokotha and Peckuwe septs were closely related morally and politically, while the Maykujay and Chalahgawtha septs always stood together, as they had in times past during occasional instances of tribal dissension.
So it was now in this problem of the encroachment of the whites. It was such a serious problem that strong lines of dissension had formed which threatened to cause a permanent breach in the nation; at least so it was feared by the principal chief, Hokolesqua -- Cornstalk -- a Chalahgawtha Shawnee. His sept and the Maykujays took the stand that "we had better make peace with the white people, as they are outnumbering us and increasing fast. It seems Moneto -- God -- is with them. Let us make peace with them and be always in peace with them.
"No!" said the Thawegila, Kispokotha and Peckuwe chiefs. "Let us not make peace with the white people. Let us fight them until one or the other of us is destroyed to the last man."
Pucksinwah shook his head sadly. To the very marrow of his bones he knew there could never be a true peace between whites and Indians. As surely as summer follows spring, the whites would not stop at the river valley of western Pennsylvania. Inevitably they would spread down the Spay-lay-wi-theepi -- Ohio River -- to settle in the great and sacred hunting grounds of Can-tuc-kee. The Shawnees from the north and Cherokee from the south might share the bounty of that land below the great river, but no tribe -- nor white man! -- must be permitted to take up permanent residence there.
Had not over a century of friction between Indians and whites proven that nothing could be gained by talk of peace? When treaties had been signed and boundaries established in the past, had not these whites treated the Indians with unfeigned loathing, and had they not broken the boundaries almost immediately after they were established?
This was why the current council at the Little Miami River village of Chillicothe was so important to Pucksinwah. Largest of the Shawnee towns, it was centrally located to all the septs and more than 5000 Shawnee men would be on hand. And this time it would be his turn to speak without interruption in the msi-kah-mi-qui. He would pray to Moneto to bring powerful words to his lips that he might convince the Chalahgawtha and Maykujay septs that there could never exist an suitable peace between Indians and whites.
He raised his eyes skyward, but the prayer died aborning as a huge meteor suddenly plunged into the atmosphere and burst into brilliant greenish-white flame. It streaked across the heavens from the north in an awe-inspiring spectacle which lasted fully twenty seconds.
Pucksinwah had heard of such occurrences, but not before had he seen anything so breathtaking as this, and the tales of the old people came back to him now: this shooting star was The Panther, a great spirit passing over to the south where it seeks a deep hole for sleep. Every night it passes somewhere on the earth to go to that home in the south. It was a good sign indeed, and Pucksinwah arose and stepped briskly to the fire where the women were clustered, chattering excitedly, for they too had seen it.
From within the temporary shelter came the sharp wail of a baby. Pucksinwah waited quietly, the murmur of voices from inside almost lost in the gurgle of water from the great bubbling spring beside the shelter. Soon the infant's crying faded away, and a quarter hour later one of the women came out, beckoned to the chief, and happily told him he had a son.
Pucksinwah stooped to enter the shelter and the three women inside, giggling delightedly, left to join the others at the fire. Methotasa lay on a bedding of cedar boughs covered with a huge buffalo hide, the even softer hide of a deer covering her to the waist. Her breasts were swelled, but not yet heavily engorged with the milk which would come in two or three days. In the crook of her arm slept the newborn child, its skin glistening faintly with a protective coating of bear oil applied by the squaws.
Methotasa smiled up at Pucksinwah as he knelt to look at the baby. She told him that the other women had seen a great star, The Panther, passing across and searching for its home in the south. Pucksinwah nodded gravely, and told her it was the boy's unsoma.
Shawnee custom declares that a boy baby is not named for ten days after his birth, nor a girl for twelve, during which time an unsoma -- notable event -- would occur which should indicate what Moneto wished the child to be called. But this time the sign had been given at the very moment of birth, and this was of great importance. Both Pucksinwah and Methotasa knew there could be no other name for this boy that The-Panther-Passing-Across.
Thus was born and named the Shawnee Indian known as Tecumseh.
Sunday, April 13, 1788
"Little brother," Chiksika had said yesterday,placing his had on Tecumseh's shoulder,, "what I say now will come to be. Just as our father knew that he should die in that battle with the Shemanese where the Kanawha and Spay-lay-wi-theepi meet, so I know that I will die tomorrow during the midst of our little battle. When the sun is at its highest, then will a bullet from the whites strike me here," he placed a finger to his forehead midway between his eyes, "and my life will be ended. But do not let them falter. Lead them on with an attack at once, and they will emerge victorious."
And now, as they rode toward the frail fortification behind which the whites lay, a devastating sorrow drained Tecumseh of strength and will as he followed Chiksika wordlessly toward the destiny his older brother had predicted.
Tecumseh wished he could disbelieve his 31-year-old brother's prediction, but he could not. How many times in the past had Chiksika predicted exactly what would happen and when? Too many times to count. Even on the trip south they had laughed together when Chiksika had told Tecumseh that though he was a better hunter than himself or any other of the dozen Kispokotha warriors with them, in three days he would fall from his horse and break his hip as he attempted to down a buffalo. But it had happened just as he said. Two months ago, they had charged a small herd and Tecumseh had thundered up beside the largest bull, prepared to strike, when the animal's shoulder had bumped his horse, throwing it off stride. The horse had slipped and fallen, throwing Tecumseh from its back, and he had lain there filled with admiration for Chiksika's prophetic ability, even as the waves of pain from the broken hip throbbed through him.
And then, last night Chiksika had told Tecumseh of his presentiment, and abruptly the world had become cold and hard and alien. So sorrowful at Chiksika's prediction was he that Tecumseh scarcely heard his older brother's further prediction.
"Tecumseh," he said, "you must carry on for our people and become for them a leader. You will do this, I know. I have looked ahead and seen you not only as a leader of the Shawnees, but as the greatest and most powerful chief any tribe has ever known. I have seen you journey to far lands and I have watched you bring together under your hand a confederation of Indian nations such as has never before been known."
But Tecumseh fond little comfort in the words. His own mind was filled with words that would never be spoken and his heart with a pain that would never be eased. He vowed to stay by his brother's side during the engagement.
The fight began late in the forenoon, and it was a hot one, the whites defending their little stronghold with unexpected tenacity. Only gradually were the settlers picked off and the Indians able to slowly advance. The Cherokee chief three times led a charge, and three times had been forced to retire, but each time less emphatically than the last. Now, out of effective rifle range, he stood high and called his tribesmen and Shawnee friends to rally behind him for a final charge that would bring them victory.
Chiksika unexpectedly placed his had over Tecumseh's and squeezed it. He pointed to a hickory sapling, its branches bare but for swelling buds. It stood arrow straight in the ground and the sun made the shadows of the branches a spiderwork pattern on the ground about the trunk, but there was little trunk shadow, for the sun was at its zenith.
"Happy am I," Chiksika said softly, "to fall in battle and not die in a wegiwa like an old squaw."
He and his younger brother then joined the Cherokee chief and suddenly, even before the sound of the distant shot came, there was a heavy thunking sound and Tecumseh whirled to see Chiksika just beginning to topple sideways, a hole nearly the diameter of his thumb between his brother's eyes in the middle of his forehead. Tecumseh leaped forward and caught him and gently lowered him to the ground. As he did so, the Cherokee chief exhorted his men to charge the whites, but they were shocked at the bullet having traveled so incredibly far and so accurately to kill their northern ally and considered it a bad sign. Even though Tecumseh begged them to charge again, telling them that Chiksika had said they would win and that he would lead them beside their chief, they refused to fight more.
As the entire party withdrew, Tecumseh's shoulders slumped far more with the weight of sorrow than with the weight of his brother's body in his arms.
Part Two: Confederacy & Prophecy
Wednesday, August 11, 1802
Each time Tecumseh addressed one of these councils, he felt a great exaltation as he saw how his words caught and held his listeners; how easily, with the proper turn of a phrase, he could stir in them emotions of anger and hate, love and pleasure, regret and sorrow. Each time he began to speak, he was never really sure exactly what he would say, but then the words came to him, rolling fluently from his tongue and never failing to stir deeply all who listened.
He was much pleased with the way things had gone thus far. All during spring, summer and fall of last year he had gone from village to village, journeying as far eastward as western Vermont and Massachusetts. This past spring, as soon as he had concluded the laughable treaty with the cut-ta-ho-tha, he had ranged across upper and western New York State and northwestern Pennsylvania. All of the remaining Iroquois Confederacy had been deeply inspired by the plan, and they looked upon the speaker with something very akin to reverence. They had pledged their faith and their secrecy and, most important, their help when the great sign should be given.
This great sign that Tecumseh spoke of wherever he went always remained the same, and his telling of it never failed to awe his audiences. When the period of waiting was over, he told them, when tribal unification had been completed, when all was in readiness, then would this sign be given: in the midst of the night the earth beneath would tremble and roar for a long period. Jugs would break, though there be no one near to touch them. Great trees would fall, though the air be windless. Streams would change their courses to run backwards, and lakes would be swallowed up into the earth and other lakes suddenly appear. The bones of every man would tremble with the trembling of the ground, and they would not mistake it. No! There was not anything to compare with it in their lives, nor in the lives of their fathers or the fathers before them since time began; when this sign came, they were to drop their mattocks and flash scrapers, leave their fields and their hunting camps and their villages, and join together and move to assemble across the lake river from the fort of Detroit. And on that day they would no longer be Mohawks or Senecas, Oneidas or Onondagas, or any other tribe. They would be Indians! One people united forever where the good of one would henceforth become the good of all!
So it would be!
Sunday, December 1809
The watchword of the year was suspicion. Everyone, it seemed, was suspicious of something.
Despite all the suspicions in the air, the year closed without open hostilities erupting anywhere. The United States, under its new President, James Madison, continued to be suspicious of the British. William Henry Harrison continued to be suspicious of Tecumseh and the Prophet. Many of the Indian chiefs continued to be suspicious of the amalgamation of the tribes. Tecumseh continued to be suspicious of the growing insubordination of his brother, Tenskwatawa, the Prophet. The settlers continued to be suspicious of all Indians. And Tenskwatawa continued to be suspicious of everything and everybody.
The Prophet's work in helping to unite the tribes behind Tecumseh's movement was, on the whole, a big disappointment to Tecumseh. These tribes -- the Delawares, Miamis, Wyandots, and, in particular, the Shawnees -- must be convinced to join. Without their active support, the entire grand plan might collapse. Yet, instead of uniting them, Tenskwatawa had succeeded only in alarming them and driving them away with talk of immediate attack on Vincennes and the river settlements, and by his suggestions that the Great Spirit would destroy any who did not join in to help. It was a maddening development and, before he set out again to visit each of these chiefs, Tecumseh held long conferences with his younger brother and gave him strict orders to follow.
Tenskwatawa was to begin immediately to regain some of the prestige he had lost during the year. He would retire alone to the woods and there make a large number of sacred slabs which he was to tell the assembled Indians he had made under the direction of the Great Spirit. The directions for their construction was specific.
Each slab was to be of the same length, thickness and taper, and each was to have carved , on one side only, the same symbols. The slabs were to be made of red cedar and each was to be accompanied by a bundle of thin red sticks. Each of the red sticks was to represent one moon, and, when the bundle and slab was given to a particular chief, he would be directed to throw away one of the red sticks at each full moon until only the slab itself remained, at which time he must prepare for the great sign to be given.
The symbols on the slab were to have a double meaning -- one to tell any curious whites who might see them, the other to be the true meaning. For the whites, these were to be described as heaven sticks -- symbols which would guide them to the happy Afterlife. The symbols, reading from bottom to top, were family, which was the most important single factor in everyday Indian life, the earth upon which they lived, followed by the principal features of the earth: water, lightning, trees, the four corners of the earth, corn, fowl and animals of the earth and air, all plant life, the sun, the blue sky and all of these things having to be experienced and understood before the people could reach the uppermost symbol, Heaven.
The actual meaning of the symbolism, however, was considerable different and much more menacing. It was for all the Indians on both sides of the Mississippi River -- to come in a straight direction toward Detroit at lightning speed with their weapons; coming from the four corners of the earth, leaving behind the tending of the corn or hunting of game or storing of grains to become united when the great sign was given so that all the tribes might, in one movement, by peaceable means if possible, but by warfare if necessary, take over the place of the whites which had been usurped from them.
Wednesday, August 28, 1811
To each of the southern tribes he visited, Tecumseh presented a sacred slab, along with a bundle of the red sticks. But where once these stick bundles had been large, now they were unusually small. The one he had given the Cherokees a few weeks ago when they had agreed to assemble under his leadership had only four sticks. And when, three days ago, he had concluded his talks with the Seminoles, their bundle had contained only three sticks.
Everywhere he went he was listened to eagerly. His fame had spread far; few indeed were those who could not relate exploits of the great Shawnee chief, Tecumseh, or who failed to be impressed deeply by the scope of his amalgamation. Thus, they readily pledged themselves to join him when the great sign came. Along with the Cherokees and Seminoles and Lower Creeks, there were the smaller and more scattered tribes -- the Santee and Calusas and Catawbas and the slightly larger Choctaws and Biloxis, the Chickasaws and the Alabamas.
Occasionally one or another of the tribes would require a show of proof from Tecumseh -- some small sign to show that he was, indeed, under the auspices of the Great Spirit. In most cases, minor prophecies sufficed, such as in the case of the Seminoles. When they had hesitated to join him, he told them that in two days there would come to Florida's coast an ocean vessel which would be filled with arms and supplies for the Seminoles. They assembled at the point he indicated, and at dawn on the given day, they discovered a British ship at anchor in the bay and its smaller boats coming ashore laden with gifts of guns and powder and tomahawks, cloth and jewelry and foodstuffs. There was no further hesitancy among the Seminoles to join Tecumseh.
Now the great Shawnee leader was beginning his swing northwestward through the Alabama country to seek the important alliance formation with the powerful Upper Creek nation. From there he would move west, heading into the Mississippi land and Louisiana, then again northward on the west side of the mother of rivers to Missouri again. And along the way, he would stop to win over the Natchez and Yazoo, the Tawakonias and Caddos and others.
But first the Upper Creeks. Big Warrior, principal chief of the Upper Creeks, listened with a disapproving frown as Tecumseh told his people of his great plan, its near culmination and the part he wished them to play in it. There could be no doubt of his jealousy of this Shawnee who could come from hundreds of miles away and sway his people so swiftly with his reputation and his elocution. Great numbers of the Upper Creeks had come to this village Tuckabatchee located on the Tallapoosa River to hear the chief; but no matter how earnestly and convincingly Tecumseh spoke, Big Warrior refused to pledge his people. Sensing his jealousy, Tecumseh became scornful. He looked first at the large crowd, and then he swung his gaze to Big Warrior.
"Your blood is white!" he said. "You have taken my talk and the sticks and the wampum and the hatchet, but you do not mean to fight. I know the reason. You do not believe the Great Spirit has sent me. You shall know. I leave Tuckabatchee directly and shall go to Detroit. When I arrive there, I will stamp on the ground with my foot, and shake down every house in Tuckabatchee!"
Impressed in spite of himself, Big Warrior thereupon agreed to come and join the amalgamation -- if and when the houses of Tuckabatchee all fell down. Tecumseh nodded. The Upper Creeks would come. What now could stop this mighty force he had joined together?
Part Three: The Prophecy Fulfilled
Sunday, November 10, 1811
All of the tribes, Tecumseh told these followers, had received bundles of red stick. All had but one of those sticks left. In six days a preliminary sign would be given to the tribes. It would be a sign under which he had been born and named. A great star would flash across the heavens and this would indicate that Tecumseh was still guided by the hand of the Great Spirit. The sign would be clearly visible to all the tribes, and when it came they were to take the last red stick and cut it into thirty equal pieces. Each day thereafter, one of these pieces was to be burned in the light of dawn. But the thirtieth piece was to be burned in the midst of the night, and when the last of these had been burned, then would come the great sign of which he had personally told them all. And when this sign came, all who believed in Tecumseh and in the future of the Indian nation would take up their weapons and strike out at once for the British fort that was called Malden, located on the north side of the head of the lakes that was called Erie.
Saturday, November 16, 1811
Under a crisp cloudless sky, the Indians crouched. No fires had been lighted, lest this drive away or interfere with the sign. There was no moon this night, and the stars twinkled with almost tangible brightness in their deep black background. With blankets held over their heads to hold back the bite of the cold air, the Indians waited. In southern Canada, from the great falls of the Niagara to the great Lake-of-the-Woods, they watched. In western New York and Pennsylvania, they watched. In Ohio and the Indiana Territory and in the land that pushed north between the two great lakes and in the land to the west of the lakes, they watched. Along the Mississippi and Missouri, and even farther west, they watched. In the Tennessee and Alabama and Mississippi country, they watched. And the principal chief of each tribe held in his hand the final red stick of his bundle.
Just before the midpoint of the night it came -- a great searing flash from out of the southwest; incredibly bright with a weird greenish-white light, incredibly swift, incredibly awe-inspiring. And the heads of a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand Indians swiveled to watch its fiery progress across the heavens until it disappeared in the northeast. And they were deeply moved by it.
Many of the chiefs broke their sticks over their knees and threw them away and rid their fear in anger. But there were some who retired to their wegiwas or teepees or hogans, lay the red stick upon the ground before the fire, and carefully measured, marked it off with a bit of charcoal, and cut it into thirty equal lengths.
And then they waited.
Monday, December 16, 1811
At 2:30 A.M. the earth shook.
In the south of Canada, in the villages of the Iroquois, Ottawa, Chippewa and Huron, it came as a deep and terrifying rumble. Creek banks caved in and huge trees toppled in a continuous crash of snapping branches.
In all of the Great Lakes, but especially Lake Michigan and Lake Erie, the waters danced and great waves broke erratically on the shores, though there was no wind.
In the western plains, there was a fierce grinding sound and a shuddering, which jarred the bones and set teeth on edge. Earthen vessels split apart and great herds of bison staggered to their feet and stampeded in abject panic.
To the south and west, tremendous boulders broke loose on hills and cut swaths through the trees and brush to the bottoms. Rapidly running streams stopped and eddied, and some of them abruptly went dry and the fish that had lived in them flopped away their lives on the muddy or rocky beds.
To the south, whole forests fell in incredible tangles. New streams sprang up where none had been before. In the Upper Creek village of Tuckabatchee, every dwelling shuddered and shook, and then collapsed upon itself and its inhabitants.
To the south and east, palm trees lashed about like whips, and lakes emptied of their waters, while ponds appeared in huge declivities which suddenly dented the surface of the earth.
All over the land, birds were roused from their roosting places with scream of fright and flapping wings. Cattle bellowed and kicked, lost their footing, and were thrown to the ground where they rolled about, unable to regain their balance.
In Kentucky, Tennessee and the Indiana Territory, settlers were thrown from their beds, heard the timbers of their cabins wrench apart, and watched the bricks crumble into heaps of debris masked in choking clouds of dust. Bridges snapped and tumbled into rivers and creeks. Glass shattered, fences and barns collapsed and fires broke out. Along steep ravines, the cliffside slipped and filled their chasms, and the country was blanketing with a deafening roar.
In the center of all this, in that area where the Ohio River meets the Mississippi, where Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, and Illinois come together, fantastic splits appeared in the ground and huge tracts of land were swallowed up. A few miles from the Mississippi, near the Kentucky-Tennessee border, a monstrous section of ground sank as if some gigantic foot had stepped on the soft earth and mashed it down. Water gushed forth in fantastic volume and the depression became filled and turned into a large lake, to become known as Reelfoot Lake. The whole midsection of the Mississippi writhed and heaved and tremendous bluffs toppled into the muddy waters. Entire sections of land were inundated, and others that had been riverbed were left high in the air. The Mississippi itself turned and flowed backwards for a time. It swirled and eddied, hissed and gurgled, and at length, when it settled down, the face of the land had changed. New Madrid was destroyed and the tens of thousands of acres of land, including virtually all that was owned by Simon Kenton, vanished forever; that which remained was ugly and austere.
Such was the great sign of Tecumseh.
This was the earthquake which occurred where no tremor had ever been recorded before; where there was no scientific explanation for such a thing happening; where no one cold possibly have anticipated or predicted that an earthquake could happen. No one except Tecumseh.
And though they were only a small percentage of those who had pledged themselves to do so, nevertheless quite a number of warriors of various tribes gathered up their weapons and set out at once to join the amazing Shawnee chief near Detroit.
Wednesday, April 1, 1812
The earthquake of December 16 was only a starter. It lasted, intermittently, for two terror-filled days; and at the end of that time, the atmosphere was so choked with dust and smoke that for a week afterwards the sun shone sickly reddish-bronze through an ugly haze.
The second earthquake struck on January 23, and the third hit four days later. And finally, on February 13, came the last and worst of them -- a hideous grinding and snapping which last for only an hour, but caused about as much damage as the other three combined.
This was powerful medicine -- more powerful than the Indians had ever seen. Those who had deserted Tecumseh now began to reconsider. Although most were in no hurry to rejoin the Shawnee chief, the inclination was there; if, as Tecumseh had predicted, there would be war with the whites, why not make the most of it right where they were?
And so began the hostilities.
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Archaeologica.org Your source on the web for daily archaeology news! Skip to content Advanced search Board index ‹ Discussion Boards ‹ New World Change font size Print view FAQ Register Login Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 3 of 6 • 123456 Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:16 am Cassini accurately determined the value of an A.U. in 1672. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:10 pm Minimalist wrote: Cassini accurately determined the value of an A.U. in 1672. Surely you understand how primitive their equipment was and that Cassini had made a reasonable estimate? astronomical unit (AU, or au) | unit of... www.britannica.com/science/astronomical-unitFor example, stating that the planet Jupiter is 5.2 AU (5.2 Earth distances) from the ... In principle, the easiest way to determine the value of the astronomical unit ... Cassini made a reasonably close estimate of the astronomical unit based on a ... www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Pri ... verse.html I [EFR] am sitting at my desk in St Andrews beginning to write this article just after 10 am on Tuesday 8 June 2004. Why is this such a special time? Well a very rare event is happening as I write, namely a transit of Venus across the Sun. Sadly I am unable to view it since the sky is covered with heavy cloud. Previous such transits have been significant in determining the distance between the Earth and the Sun. Halley, in 1679, pointed out that viewing such a transit from two points on the Earth a known distance apart could be used to determine the size of the solar system. The transits of June 1761 and 1769 and those of December in 1874 and 1882 were used to obtain an accurate value for the astronomical unit, which is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. We shall return to this event later in the article, but we should begin with the earliest attempts to measure the size of the universe. [please describe how anyone could come up with an accurate measurement from the Earth to the Sun [which is constantly varying,] by using another planet as it travels in front of the Sun. I claim this is a ridiculous belief!] ...and regardless of what the very few astronomers at the time may have tried to somehow measure the distance of comet c/1811 f1, there were numerous accounts describing what was observed, that the comet appeared 50% larger than the Sun. This is not a measurement but many observations from many different locations... Have you, or has anyone, ever seen an object in space that could be described as larger than the Sun? Can you imagine an object that large in the sky? Can you imagine what was actually being witnessed? Why were all these descriptions misconstrued and given some kind of measurement at much later dates? Understand that there was no seismograph. The strengths were estimated [at a much later date]. There was no way to measure an object in space with any ac curacy, it was estimated at a later date [...and did you see how the A.U. was first measured?- not an accurate design!] The comet was described as one and a half times the size of the Sun in October 1811- perfect timing for the meteor impact to cause what was misunderstood as an earthquake, as there were many earthquakes, eruptions, strange weather patterns,... all over the globe, not just in the central U.S. Did the NMSZ also cause all of this? :-] As I have been asking- go by the actual accounts and not what was later estimated... If the comet was fifty percent larger than the Sun and at the distance that was later estimated, then the comet would have been larger than the Sun and would have disrupted the entire solar system... [simple ;-] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:05 pm No. You are cherry picking what you want and ignoring anything to the contrary. Ask yourself something. If you can't come close to convincing me what chance do you have with a real geologist? Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:57 pm Minimalist wrote: No. You are cherry picking what you want and ignoring anything to the contrary. Ask yourself something. If you can't come close to convincing me what chance do you have with a real geologist? How am I "cherry picking"? In fact, not just the majority, but practically every single actual historical account describes the effects from the comet and many to direct total blame to the comet, as they should have. Many thought the entire comet hit the Ohio river, hit the mountains in California,... www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monew ... aper-2.htm Saturday, December 21, 1811 No mail north of Natchez yesterday. Letters from that city state that a small earthquake had been felt there some days ago. From the principles of earthquakes we are surprised it was not felt here. Earthquakes have generally been felt in southern mountainous countries; sometimes located to a small portion of country sometimes more extended. Different nations, near the Adriatic and Mediterranean, have felt the shock of an earthquake at the same moment. The Comet has been passing to the westward since it passed its perihelion - perhaps it has touched the mountain of California, that has given a small shake to this side of the globe - or the skake which the Natchezians have felt may be a mysterious visitation from the Author of all nature, These lines in particular- Different nations, near the Adriatic and Mediterranean, have felt the shock of an earthquake at the same moment. The Comet has been passing to the westward since it passed its perihelion - perhaps it has touched the mountain of California, that has given a small shake to this side of the globe - I can post many more, with similar descriptions... [...in truth, current understandings and what is being taught, happens to be the result of "cherry picking", as the historical accounts actually do describe the effects from the close passing of a comet...] I would like to ask anyone, everyone, all,... that- if they can find any evidence to point to the fault, [that lies beneath over three hundred feet of soft sediments and is in the middle of a plate,] near the town the entire force [of the meteor impact] was aimed directly at, New Madrid, Mo., to be the cause of so many disasters and all the resulting aftermath... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:30 pm I clicked on the first link you provided. There were many references to an earthquake. I didn't see anything about a meteor. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:49 pm Minimalist wrote: I clicked on the first link you provided. There were many references to an earthquake. I didn't see anything about a meteor. Could you, maybe come up with a percentage of the population who understood what an earthquake was in 1811? ...and, as low as that percentage may be, what percentage of the population do you think may have understood what a meteor impact was? ...everyone of the accounts describes the effects from a meteor impact. The earth shaking was only one of the consequences resulting. Please look through all the circumstances, the black smoke, sulfur smells, "meteoric" bright lights across the skies, church bells ringing throughout the northeast, extreme temperature differential,... In fact, there were many meteor impacts recorded, if one would correctly interpret the reports- pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html"Captain Robert Alexander, of Lincoln, (N. C.) gave me a most alarming account of a phenomenon which was generally seen on the night of the 20th instant. Three large extraordinary fires, in the air, one appeared in an easterly direction, one in the north, and one in the south. Their continuance was several hours; their size as large as a house on fire; the motion of the blaze quite visible, but no sparks appeared." "Another phenomenon appeared on the 22d of November, of which I was a spectator. About 2 o'clock P. M. a meteor took fire in the air, attended with a fulminating noise, and bore a southeast direction; and however unaccountable, it is a fact, that about the same instant, a whitish substance, resembling a duck in size and shape, detached itself, and descended with a swift motion, from the cloud of smoke that was formed, and was beheld at my house, and fifteen miles due north of it, and twenty-three miles west of it, at the same instant." "Whether these things are ominous or not, one thing is certain, this is a time of extraordinaries." What was he trying to describe? Maybe the formation process for the Carolina bays craters? [This was the amount of science available at the time...sadly, our understandings of such descriptions and the science involved, still appears to be quite primitive? ;-] Permit me also to observe, that contemporaneous earthquakes have agitated other regions of the globe. Terrible commotions were experienced among the Azores in 1808 and 1811; and in Venezuela and St. Vincents in 1812. I have collected the facts into distinct histories, which I intend at convenient times to offer to this society. ...can anyone find any of the "distinct histories"- [reports] that Samuel Mitchell stated that he would "offer to this society"? What happened to the rest of the newspaper articles, historical accounts, eye-witness reports?,... that should be available, as there should be a great deal more...?... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:11 pm Could you, maybe come up with a percentage of the population who understood what an earthquake was in 1811? Judging by all those newspaper clippings that were contained in your link I would say damn near everyone....at least everyone who could read the papers. They were all unanimous that it was an earthquake. The only who seems to claiming that a meteor hit is you. Actual geologists have studied this event, you know? www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 811-46342/ Tuttle’s team excavated potsherds, spear points and corn kernels and realized that many of the sand blows were more than 200 years old. “Some had archaeological sites on top of them with 2,000-year-old artifacts,” Tuttle says. “There’s no way the New Madrid earthquakes were a one-time freak event.” The Midwest had been slammed by violent quakes around A.D. 1450 and 900 and 2350 B.C.—and probably more often. Most earthquakes occur at the edges of the earth’s 15 major tectonic plates; when they slide against each other, the ground gets a jolt. But New Madrid sits in the middle of a plate. Its seismic history—and the magnitude 5.8 Virginia quake that shook the East Coast earlier this year—is a reminder that earthquakes can strike in surprising places. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:30 pm Minimalist wrote: Could you, maybe come up with a percentage of the population who understood what an earthquake was in 1811? Judging by all those newspaper clippings that were contained in your link I would say damn near everyone....at least everyone who could read the papers. They were all unanimous that it was an earthquake. The only who seems to claiming that a meteor hit is you. Actual geologists have studied this event, you know? www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 811-46342/ Tuttle’s team excavated potsherds, spear points and corn kernels and realized that many of the sand blows were more than 200 years old. “Some had archaeological sites on top of them with 2,000-year-old artifacts,” Tuttle says. “There’s no way the New Madrid earthquakes were a one-time freak event.” The Midwest had been slammed by violent quakes around A.D. 1450 and 900 and 2350 B.C.—and probably more often. Most earthquakes occur at the edges of the earth’s 15 major tectonic plates; when they slide against each other, the ground gets a jolt. But New Madrid sits in the middle of a plate. Its seismic history—and the magnitude 5.8 Virginia quake that shook the East Coast earlier this year—is a reminder that earthquakes can strike in surprising places. ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... #chapter14 30th of January, 1811. Appearance of Sabrina Island, in the Azores. The island enlarged very considerably on the 15th of June, 1811. May, 1811. Commencement of the earthquakes in the island of St. Vincent, which lasted till May 1812. 16th of December, 1811. Commencement of the commotions in the valley of the Mississippi and the Ohio, which lasted till 1813. December, 1811. Earthquake at Caracas. 26th of March, 1811. Destruction of Caracas. Earthquakes, which continued till 1813. 30th of April, 1811. Eruption of the volcano in St. Vincent; and the same day subterranean noises at Caracas, and on the banks of the Apure.] Did the NMSZ also cause all these eruptions, quakes, and all the strange weather? Did the NMSZ cause the mini-ice age from 1811-1817? Did the NMSZ freeze Napoleon's army? I am sure you are aware by now that I never stated that this area was not a seismic region. As there may have been many quakes prior, the December 16, 1811 event was from a meteor impact... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:38 pm blog.cleveland.com/medical/2009/ ... em_sa.html New Madrid fault no problem, geophysicists Seth Stein and Eric Calais say study's authors say, that there's no buildup of earthquake-causing strain. "If you took what's going on now and extrapolated out 10,000 years, you probably still wouldn't get an earthquake," said Northwestern University geophysicist Seth Stein, who with Purdue University geophysicist Eric Calais published the findings last month in the journal Science. "It's pretty clear that [federal officials] vastly overestimated the hazard" in the New Madrid zone. But the GPS readings Stein and Calais have analyzed don't seem to fit this steady-state, once-every-500-years view of New Madrid quakes. The ground in the fault zone ought to be moving a lot now, storing energy like a spring coiling, as strain builds for the next big quake. But eight years of measurements show movement of at most 0.2 millimeters per year -- about the thickness of fishing line.
"The simplest explanation . . . is there's no energy being stored up for the next earthquake," Stein said.
Two-tenths of a millimeter is so slight that it would take more than 100,000 years to build up enough strain for another big quake, Stein and Calais estimate. Since past New Madrid quakes happened much more often, the pair conclude that the fault system isn't behaving in regular, steady-state fashion. ...because- when the meteor impacted it pushed the entire embayment upward, leaving thousands of empty chasms, that have since been filling in from upper sediments. You see, in the same time that Stein recorded the movement of the fault, which was so slight in a years time, there were many earthquakes recorded, on the register of 3 or 4+ on the Richter. How could this be?- Because the scales are recording internal landslides and not tectonic activity from the faults... The entire embayment is slowly moving southward... There is proof to this- The Loosahatchie river was wide enough for two riverboats to pass one another, just a hundred years ago, but it is now difficult for small fishing boats... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:48 pm You're batshit crazy Tony. "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:14 pm circumspice wrote: You're batshit crazy Tony. ;-] ...so, what will that say about those who teach students nonsense?, ...based on conjecture, once they realize the accuracy of my findings? "crazy" as I may be, [within your thought process], I am still waiting for any form of a legitimate rebuttal,... ...something other than- "you're the only one..." Yes, I am the only one promoting facts and science, while classrooms are continuously subjected to some preformed conclusions, based on just a couple/few reports, never taking into account the plethora of eye-witness reports, the topography, geology,... and now, the impactites and meteorites all pointing to a serial impact from the close passing of a sungrazer comet... Last edited by Kalopin on Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:42 pm, edited 1 time in total. Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:35 pm viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3691 ...draw this line, from the new Madrid bend to north Slayden to view the angle, direction and force from impact... Is it difficult to see the shockwave pattern? ...to me, it sticks out like a "sore thumb" ;-] ...and this pattern is centered in northeastern Marshall county, Ms.- not New Madrid, Mo.... Please study and draw out each and every line...once the erosion and development over the past couple centuries is removed, the waves are even more obvious, propagating out from this central location... ...you see it? ...this shockwave was recorded by eye-witnesses in several accounts, describing the land, rising and falling thirty to forty feet, instantly...- - New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811 and 1812 -... genealogytrails.com/main/events/1811earthquake.html The heavy damage inflicted on the land by these earthquakes led Congress to pass in ... At the onset of the earthquake, the ground rose and fell - bending the trees until ... The first earthquake of this series on December 16, 1811, was located in .... Broad River, was thrown up several times to the height of thirty or forty feet. In search of the New Madrid Earthquake - Tennessee... www.tnhistoryforkids.org/insearc ... earthquake At about 2 a.m. on December 16, 1811, the ground began to shake uncontrollably. ... The subtle 15 to 30 foot rise in the terrain on which the town of Tiptonville sits, ... all of West Tennessee was considered to be Chickasaw land then; we have ... The ground rose and fell in successive furrows, like the ruffled waters of a lake. Account of Samuel Mitchill, 1815 - U.S.G.S.... pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html On the morning of Monday, the 16th of December, 1811, several shocks of .... amount annually to about sixty; but this year there were no more than thirty-eight. ... Eighteen or twenty acres of land, adjacent to Piney river, suddenly fell down, .... and the river rose six feet upon its former level; the trunks of trees, bedded in the ... [PDF]GIP 118 PDF - USGS Publications Repository - U.S.... pubs.usgs.gov/gip/118/pdf/GIP118.pdf File format:Adobe PDF Personal Accounts from the 1811−1812 New Madrid Earthquakes ... Cracks are yet in the earth in place 18 feet wide...such large quantities of ... at least, two hundred acres of land along the margin of the river, fell in.” .... At forty seven minutes past two, ... the earthquake the ground rose, fell, and cracked; trees snapped and. The Meeting in 1811 of Tecumseh and Apushamatahah... www.accessgenealogy.com/native/meeting-1811.htmMar 3, 2014 ... In the spring of 1811, Tecumseh, with thirty congenial spirits all well ... a point on the Tombigbee River miles (by land) north of Columbus, Mississippi, and ... heap, but leaving an open space of twenty or thirty feet in diameter for the ..... forty thou sand warriors, and, besides, the blow would have fallen upon ... Popular Science Monthly/Volume 69/July 1906/Our... en.wikisource.org/wiki/Popular_Science_Monthly/Volum... Sep 29, 2015 ... The night of December 15, 1811, fell quiet and peaceful, and the settlers ... Giants of the forest were split for forty feet up the stump, half ... size, having widths of thirty feet or more, while some are reported as many as five miles in length. ... The surface settled and a black liquid rose to the belly of the horses. [DOC]December 16th, 1811: Northeastern Arkansas (New... serc.carleton.edu/files/NAGTWorkshops/intro/activities/110_R... File format:Microsoft Word EQ 1: December 16th, 1811: Northeastern Arkansas (New Madrid Fault): ... At the onset of the earthquake the ground rose and fell - bending the trees until their ... Landslides swept down the steeper bluffs and hillsides; large areas of land .... The maximum horizontal movement (fault offset) of about 29 feet occurred in the ... Tour of New Madrid Seismic Zone - Show-Me Net www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/tour.htmSay hi to the couple who've run it for 40 years. ... Many scientists now believe the big ones of 1811-12 were high 6's to perhaps high 7's, probably not 8's. .... 7, 1812 quake, where nearby sections of land rose as much as 30 feet. ... The Ohio River ice jam broke up at Louisville falls about the time of {the January quake). Earthquakes, 1811-12 | Entries | Tennessee... tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=417 Dec 25, 2009 ... Between mid-December 1811 and mid-March 1812 a series of catastrophic ... Some ground areas rose or fell as much as twenty feet relative to the ... Much of this land now supports Tennessee cotton and soybeans. Charles Sumner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sumner ...and so, how could this topography be thousands or millions of years old and still have been affected to such a degree, as to resurface the entire valley? [...which is it? ...can't have both...] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:19 pm Kalopin wrote: circumspice wrote: You're batshit crazy Tony. ;-] ...so, what will that say about those who teach students nonsense?, ...based on conjecture, once they realize the accuracy of my findings? "crazy" as I may be, [within your thought process], I am still waiting for any form of a legitimate rebuttal,... ...something other than- "you're the only one..." Yes, I am the only one promoting facts and science, while classrooms are continuously subjected to some preformed conclusions, based on just a couple/few reports, never taking into account the plethora of eye-witness reports, the topography, geology,... and now, the impactites and meteorites all pointing to a serial impact from the close passing of a sungrazer comet... Hm... Let's see... 1. Delusions of grandeur 2. Messiah complex 3. Persecution complex Yup! Batshit crazy. "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:42 am circumspice wrote: Hm... Let's see... 1. Delusions of grandeur 2. Messiah complex 3. Persecution complex Yup! Batshit crazy. [Is this really too difficult for you to understand?]- Presently, students are being taught that the NMSZ was the cause of the 1811-12 earthquakes... The facts are that- there were many earthquakes, eruptions, strange weather patterns,... [wars, plagues,...] all over the globe, at the same instance a sungrazer comet was described as being larger than the Sun. These events all took place in late November/early December 1811...and have been recorded...and is available for anyone to look up...and study... [is simple!] [Why don't you disregard my mental state and study the facts?...] Would it be too difficult to discuss the actual science and the actual historical accounts involved? [...or is it more fun for you to make character judgments,insulting accusations, personal attacks,... to make you feel better?, because, maybe your I.Q. is lacking the proper amount of brain cells? :-] [Do you wish me to apologize for all the passed on ignorance?, throughout the years, teaching generation after generation what is just a bunch of b.s., assumptions, "drummed up" beliefs, false conclusions,... using unproven, untested, and even unexplained sources, as bad dating processes, misunderstood faulty physics, misinterpreted accounts,... Look, the truth is the truth, the facts are the facts, it is not my fault that so many got it so wrong, but I now offer you this chance to go through all the actual science, history, accounts,... and to understand, determine its accuracy and to correct a great deal science and history. So, once you realize what had actually occurred, would you be willing to help correct curriculum?] [...if not, well then... fa- q!...;-] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:03 pm Did the NMSZ also cause all these eruptions, quakes, and all the strange weather? Did the NMSZ cause the mini-ice age from 1811-1817? Did the NMSZ freeze Napoleon's army? Oh, FFS, the Little Ice Age had been going on for centuries. This is what I mean about you. You shoot an arrow into a barn and draw a bullseye around it. The Year Without A Summer (1816) is a result of the eruption of Mt. Tambor in in April, 1815. Hey! Maybe that caused the rain storms that messed up Napoleon's artillery at Waterloo two months later. Why don't you find a comet to blame that on? Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist |
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Archaeologica.org Your source on the web for daily archaeology news! Skip to content Advanced search Board index ‹ Discussion Boards ‹ New World Change font size Print view FAQ Register Login Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 4 of 6 • 123456 Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:08 pm [Do you wish me to apologize for all the passed on ignorance?, throughout the years, teaching generation after generation what is just a bunch of b.s., assumptions, "drummed up" beliefs, false conclusions,... using unproven, untested, and even unexplained sources, as bad dating processes, misunderstood faulty physics, misinterpreted accounts,... Look, the truth is the truth, the facts are the facts, it is not my fault that so many got it so wrong, but I now offer you this chance to go through all the actual science, history, accounts,... and to understand, determine its accuracy and to correct a great deal science and history. So, once you realize what had actually occurred, would you be willing to help correct curriculum?] [...if not, well then... fa- q!...;-] Kalopin 200 26 Mar 2013, 17:38 I want you to do more than apologize. I want you to pull up stakes & go away. You have fouled this forum with your preposterous bullshit for far too long. Your bullshit is a waste of space & time. This is not the place to showcase your mental illnesses. You lied when you stated that the steaming pile of bullshit you fatuously call a 'paper' is peer reviewed. It is posted, not published, on a website that will accept 'papers' from anyone on any subject without any review or oversight. Your 'paper' is nothing more than a rambling, incoherent mess of unrelated copy/pasted articles. And, as per usual, you stated your 'oh so learned' opinion, threw in what you consider supporting data & then demand that the readers prove that you're wrong. You seem to have the process backward Tony... The accepted method is for YOU to prove your theory, not the reader. Stop wasting our time with your ravings Tony & go away. "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:27 pm Minimalist wrote: Did the NMSZ also cause all these eruptions, quakes, and all the strange weather? Did the NMSZ cause the mini-ice age from 1811-1817? Did the NMSZ freeze Napoleon's army? Oh, FFS, the Little Ice Age had been going on for centuries. This is what I mean about you. You shoot an arrow into a barn and draw a bullseye around it. The Year Without A Summer (1816) is a result of the eruption of Mt. Tambor in in April, 1815. Hey! Maybe that caused the rain storms that messed up Napoleon's artillery at Waterloo two months later. Why don't you find a comet to blame that on? really? ...do you not know about the extreme drops in temperatures in 1811? ...have you never heard of the years 1811-1817 being referred to as a mini ice age? Yes, there were considerably lower temperatures just as the comet passes- darkmattersalot.com/2012/10/05/ ... the-devil/ Follow: RSS Dark Matters a Lot Dark Energy: It created us, it connects us, it is killing us, and it just might save us. Home About the Author About this Site & Copyright Info Astrophysics Biology Bizarre Condensed Matter Nuclear Science Donation Geophysics Inspiration Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Particle Physics References Tags Comets, Earthquakes 1811-1817: When the Earth had a Brush with the Devil October 5, 2012 The year 1811 started off with an amazing sight, one not many humans are “lucky” enough to see in their lifetimes. The great comet of 1811 was first spotted in March of 1811 and its intensity increased through December 1811. Some recordings show it had a tail 25 Degrees Long and a head 50% larger than the sun. If you were a drunken Englishman (I am roughly half English) with time to kill at night with a high degree of geometric skills remaining after a few pints, you might even draw it like the crop circle below, which BTW was probably produced by dark energy, not a microwave oven like SOME physicists believe. In December of 1811 the comet appeared to some observers to “fade” and to others it appeared to “perform frightening acrobatics and split in two” (see my reference on the next page). Curiously, it also had a circumpolar orbit as viewed by many, staying within view for 24 hours a day at certain latitudes, appearing to be “homing in” on the earth. Comets are amazing entities, there is even a probe en route to land on one in 2014. Unfortunately for those in New Madrid, Arkansas in December 1811, I am NOT CONVINCED this was a comet made of ordinary matter. Let’s just call him the devil for now. The massive New Madrid earthquakes began in December 1811 and continued through the Spring of 1812. The “comet” appeared to leave in 1812, although there is some uncertainty as to whether it really left entirely: From a research posting on this linked website: “In 1893 Norbert Herz reported what seems to have been evidence of a significant pertubation to the orbit of the Great Comet of 1811(7). Quoting Herz: “In general, if a comet is not perturbed by external forces, only one orbit, be it parabolic, elliptic, or hyperbolic, can be derived from the observations [of the comet]. But a single curve cannot be found for the comet of 1811 which will satisfy the observations.” Working from a total of 984 observations, Herz published monthly simple means of the errors (between calculated and observed positions) but didn’t furnish indicators of maximum errors or of variances. The author hopes to obtain a copy of the observations in order to produce a clearer assessment of the comet’s path. The idea is to see if Burchell’s 04 Nov 1811 comet observation from South Africa (See second paragraph of this article.) is consistent (or not) with vetted observations of C1811 F1. Secondarily, it is desirable to look for a probable cause of the pertubation to the Great Comet’s orbit. [Added 12 Dec 2005.] One possible explanation for the fact that a single curve couldn’t be found for C1811 F1’s orbit is that the comet fissioned and that one or both of the fission products moved off in different orbits from the original. John Kezys calls our attention to a report of such an event. He says, “As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one hundred million miles long. Following initial victories Napoleon overextended himself. After the invasion of Moscow he ran short of supplies and the winter proved unforgiving. Hundreds of thousands died while the comet performed frightening acrobatics by splitting in two.“(8) [Added 12 Dec 2005.]” Now back to my explanation: Primordial dark matter is thought to exist since the big bang. If it exists, it will have decreased in mass possibly in the 1011 kg to 1023 kg range (a good mass range BTW to possibly fall into earth orbit, since the earth weighs 5.97219 × 1024 kg). It could also be very hot, since the smaller the mass of a black hole, the hotter it is. In the coldness of space, since the “hot” primordial dark matter will act like a heat exchanger, it should shower its surroundings with large amounts of Hawking Radiation, possibly lighting up the emptiness of space like a comet. But what about in the Earth’s atmosphere? How can they appear to hide? Here’s how: Due to their extreme mass and gravitational pull, they collapse gas around them creating an envelope of extreme cold which offsets their high temperatures. Their extremely small surface area does not allow them to transfer that heat to the environment efficiently, they are a poorly designed heat exchanger. They become a chameleon in a gaseous environment, blending in with their surroundings in a semi-thermodynamic steady-state. They do leave markers though like contrails, ionized air, sonic booms/thunder, a spectrum of noise, etc., many of which were witnessed at New Madrid and many other earthquake sites. Ones that take up orbit with the earth will have an ultra low frequency “pulse” signature with every orbit. By early 1812 the earth’s “steady-state” spiraled into at least 7 years of major climate disruption, including 1816’s “The year without a summer” . Significant earthly climate events covered the planet. I have already explained how massive dark matter particles orbiting through the earth can create increased volcanic activity and extreme low pressure events, below is a summary of what took place: From Wilkepedia: Large volcanic eruptions (with VEI at least 4) during the same time frame: 1812, La Soufrière on Saint Vincent in the Caribbean 1812, Awu in the Sangihe Islands, Indonesia 1813, Suwanosejima in the Ryukyu Islands, Japan 1814, Mayon in the Philippines 1815 (April 5–15) volcanic Mount Tambora eruption[15][16] on the island of Sumbawa, Indonesia (then part of the Dutch East Indies, but under British rule during Napoleon’s occupation of the Netherlands), described by Thomas Stamford Raffles.[17] The eruption had a Volcanic Explosivity Index ranking of 7, a super-colossal event that ejected immense amounts of volcanic ash into the upper atmosphere. It was the world’s largest eruption since the Hatepe eruption over 1,630 years earlier in AD 180. That the 1815 eruption occurred during the middle of the Dalton Minimum (a period of unusually low solar activity) may also be significant. The unusual climatic aberrations of 1816 had the greatest effect on the northeastern United States, Atlantic Canada, and parts of western Europe. Typically, the late spring and summer of the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada are relatively stable: temperatures (average of both day and night) average about 68 °F (20 °C) and 77 °F (25 °C) and rarely fall below 41 °F (5 °C). Summer snow is an extreme rarity. In the spring and summer of 1816, a persistent “dry fog” was observed in the northeastern US. The fog reddened and dimmed the sunlight, such that sunspots were visible to the naked eye. Neither wind nor rainfall dispersed the “fog”. It has been characterized as a stratospheric sulfate aerosol veil.[6] In May 1816,[1] frost killed off most of the crops that had been planted, and on 4 June 1816, frosts were reported in Connecticut, and by the following day, most of New England was gripped by the cold front.[7] On 6 June 1816, snow fell in Albany, New York, and Dennysville, Maine.[8] Nearly 12 inches (30 cm) of snow was observed in Quebec City in early June, with consequent additional loss of crops—most summer-growing plants have cell walls which rupture even in a mild frost. The result was regional malnutrition, starvation, epidemic,[clarification needed] and increased mortality. In July and August, lake and river ice were observed as far south as Pennsylvania. Rapid, dramatic temperature swings were common, with temperatures sometimes reverting from normal or above-normal summer temperatures as high as 95 °F (35 °C) to near-freezing within hours. Even though farmers south of New England did succeed in bringing some crops to maturity, maize and other grain prices rose dramatically. The price of that staple food, oats,[9] for example, rose from 12¢ a bushel ($3.40/m³) in 1815, equal to $1.52 in today’s purchasing power to 92¢ a bushel ($26/m³) in 1816, equal to $12.6 today. Those areas suffering local crop failures had to deal with the lack of roads in the early 19th century, preventing any easy importation of bulky food stuffs.[10] Cool temperatures and heavy rains resulted in failed harvests in Britain and Ireland as well. Families in Wales travelled long distances as refugees, begging for food. Famine was prevalent in north and southwest Ireland, following the failure of wheat, oats, and potato harvests. The crisis was severe in Germany, where food prices rose sharply. Due to the unknown cause of the problems, demonstrations in front of grain markets and bakeries, followed by riots, arson, and looting, took place in many European cities. It was the worst famine of the 19th century.[8][11] In China, the cold weather killed trees, rice crops, and even water buffalo, especially in northern China. Floods destroyed many remaining crops. Mount Tambora’s eruption disrupted China’s monsoon season, resulting in overwhelming floods in the Yangtze Valley in 1816. In India the delayed summer monsoon caused late torrential rains that aggravated the spread of cholera from a region near the River Ganges in Bengal to as far as Moscow.[12] In New York City, the temperature dropped to −26 °F (−32 °C) during the ensuing bitter winter of 1817. This resulted in a freezing of New York’s Upper Bay deep enough for horse-drawn sleighs to be driven across Buttermilk Channel from Brooklyn to Governors Island.[13] The effects were widespread and lasted beyond the winter. In eastern Switzerland, the summers of 1816 and 1817 were so cool that an ice dam formed below a tongue of the Giétro Glacier high in the Val de Bagnes. In spite of the efforts of the engineer Ignaz Venetz to drain the growing lake, the ice dam collapsed catastrophically in June 1818.[14] So you see, DARK DOES MATTER. The years 1811-1817 were just a miniature example of what the dinosaurs experienced at the end of their lives. Godspeed References Copyright 2012 Stewart D. Simonson All Rights Reserved Creative Commons License This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License. Share this: LinkedInTwitterRedditFacebookEmailGoogleTumblrPinterest From → Geophysics 2 Comments permalink Hoping this may find your interest: Recent findings suggest a meteor from a serial impact off the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 was the initial mechanism to cause The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812. There is a central semi-circular depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi, which every hill in the valley emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. On the northwest face numerous unusual rocks were found, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, etc… All aspects of impactites. On satellite view draw an imaginary line down the middle of The New Madrid bend straight to where the rocks were found in North Slayden, Mississippi. Notice the lines in the topography showing direction, angle and force of impact. Follow each river to the north [Wolf, Hatchie, Loosahatchie, etc.] down each of their valleys to view the larger waves from a shock that extends from The Tennessee River on the east around passed The St. Francis River on the west. The man-made lakes to the south [Sardis, Arkabutla, Enid,…] is where the land was split apart and pulled upward. Later irt was determined these chasms would make good lakes, so they were blocked by earthen dams. Every detail in the topography points to and surrounds this same central location. An ice sheet can not pull land upward, away from the equator and against gravity. Inland seas would have left sandy beaches, and could not have left evenly spaced rolling hills. Naturally occurring earthquake lights could not have been seen from distances reported, some as far as Savannah, Georgia. It is my belief that all the glacial melt gravel and inland sea sand was reformed by this impact on December 16, 1811. William Herschel’s observations concur. Many saw the comet as 50% larger than the sun in October 1811. The comet must have passed by in late November/early December 1811. It is my belief that the comet came up from the southern hemisphere and passed in front of our planet and as the Earth went through its dust tail, several meteors impacted, one large enough to cause this event. In fact, there were many events similar to the New Madrid quakes. Caracas, Venezeula had a major earthquake in december 1811 as well, and there were many earthquakes, eruptions, strange weather patterns,… all over the globe. There is much more to this. Here is just a starting point: koolkreations.wix.com/kalopins-legacy ,”Kalopins Legacy”,”wix”,”documents and links”,”A Few Comments on 1811″. “A Theory of Cometary Associations with Earthquakes”. Find out how fascinating this becomes. How many know that a huge comet barely missed just two centuries ago? Find the truths behind the myths…of what now appears to have been A Great Cometary Catastrophe… Reply ChemE permalink Thanks! The comet impact triggered 7 years of global cooling which I believe was triggered by months of orbiting by that massive comet nucleus. I will read. A massive impact like 13,000 years ago will send us to the next ice age Reply Leave a Reply « Where Should NASA Look for WIMPS? 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The year began with a moderate but dry winter. Spring was tardy and continued very dry. The growing season from late spring to early fall, however, was punctuated by a series of devastating cold waves that did major damage to the crops and greatly reduced the food supply. In areas of central and northern New England, the summer had only two extended periods without frost or near freezing temperatures. A widespread snow fell in June. As a result, corn did not ripen and hay, fruits, and vegetables were greatly reduced in quantity and quality. Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:54 pm circumspice wrote: 26 Mar 2013, 17:38 I want you to do more than apologize. I want you to pull up stakes & go away. You have fouled this forum with your preposterous bullshit for far too long. Your bullshit is a waste of space & time. This is not the place to showcase your mental illnesses. You lied when you stated that the steaming pile of bullshit you fatuously call a 'paper' is peer reviewed. It is posted, not published, on a website that will accept 'papers' from anyone on any subject without any review or oversight. Your 'paper' is nothing more than a rambling, incoherent mess of unrelated copy/pasted articles. And, as per usual, you stated your 'oh so learned' opinion, threw in what you consider supporting data & then demand that the readers prove that you're wrong. You seem to have the process backward Tony... The accepted method is for YOU to prove your theory, not the reader. Stop wasting our time with your ravings Tony & go away. Do you understand the point in an argument? ...it is to convince the other you are correct... What I am trying to explain to you, is that you have been fooled. You accept present beliefs? How difficult is it to realize that the earthquakes in the central U.S. were only a small part of all the disasters which occurred at the same time? [...my paper has been published in a peer reviewed journal... You do not have to be a part of this discussion. If you can not find any argument to point to the NMSZ to be the reason for all the effects recorded, the geography, topography of the valley and the reason for the meteorites found at the center of a shockwave pattern, then, all you have to do is- stfu!] [your response is proof to your lack of investigative abilities. I have put numerous accounts, satellite views, views of impactites,...and have explained many details- all pointing to the effects from a close passing comet.. ....but you are free to believe that a fault in the middle of a tectonic plate, beneath hundreds of feet of gravel and sand, could somehow restructure the surface of the entire valley, not to mention all the reports of the comet's effects, the many accounts recording meteoric activity, and all the other eruptions, quakes, extreme weather that is written in history...] Last edited by Kalopin on Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total. Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:07 pm www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/savannah.htm"...preceeded by a meteoric flash of light..." ...from Savannah Georgia, ...seen between 2 and 3a.m.... ...from way too far to be any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights... Now, give me your explanation, as you have mine... ...and my explanation makes all the sense [Occam's razor]... ...common belief and what is currently being taught, makes absolutely NO sense!... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:27 pm productforums.google.com/forum/ ... h8Bqw2vykJ yehezqel's profile photo extinct volcano underneath coliseum in Jackson, MS by yehezqel 4/16/06 Add a reply Jackson, Mississippi is the only U.S. city or populated place in all of America that sits on top of an extinct volcano. Right where the Coliseum is, is where its highest point is; it encompasses the three counties of Hinds, Madison, and Rankin. It is an Igneous volcano that contains somewhat of a chance of reactivating, especially, considering, the New Madrid Fault (which is provided along Igneous rock bodies as well) which could 'trigger' it, if ever there is a major earthquake provided. There is also another underground smaller volcano in Humphreys County, MS, nicknamed "MIDNIGHT" for the city or road it is nearby. Another interesting fact is somewhere between Rankin County and Jones County, MS is a supposed seond largest salt dome cavern in the nation. It's a very well kept secret along with a place called the "Devil's Backbone", (5 miles west of Florence, MS, in an area close to the Pearl River.) It is a creek that contains scars of a once deep and swift moving river and a small strata of where there are many marine fossils and limestine caves, much of which has not been fully explored. Even before that, this area was entirely an ocean with an area northward coined as the "Jackson Island" which held the volcano, where the city of Jackson, MS presently is located. Jackson Island was part of an ancient "Ring of Fire" that generally followed a elongated curve from the western part of Florida, upwards into southeastern Arkansas, and then down to the eastern edge of Texas. ...have nicknames, stories and legends, never been referred to as calderas, only standing volcanoes, conflicting discovery dates- 1819 and 1860, no ground penetrating radar,... and, one of the last stories was- natives told settlers, in Natchez, Ms., just after the quakes, that "Burning mountain had been rent to its base"... www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/lib/roosevelt.htmIt is also reported, through the medium of some Indians, from the country adjacent to the Washita, who arrived a few days since at the Walnut Hills, some distance above Natchez, that the Burning Mountain, up the Wichita river, had been rent to its base. This information I received from a settler at the Hills, and his appearance was such as to attach credit to his information. - Your obedient servant, W. L. PIERCE above is from: www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Cente ... 3-app.html www.howderfamily.com/blog/jackson-volcano/A shallow sea covered a wide area of modern-day central and southeastern United States, including most of Mississippi. Interspersed, there were several volcanic islands that rose above the seas in a rim-of-fire. The Jackson Dome, now buried and mostly unknown, was one of those islands. ...and so, how could the volcanoes have been buried 70mya and be known as the "Jackson Dome"? [This is what is being taught- complete nonsense!] [oh yea- the Wichita river was renamed the Pearl river by de Iberville...] ...deduction claims these two volcanoes fell into there own empty magma chambers on December 16, 1811... Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:45 pm Tell us Tony... What does this bullshit have to do with your crackpot theory, let alone have anything to do with archaeology? You take the lazy route & do nothing more than copy/paste other people's work. Then in your shotgun approach to try to deluge this forum with your bullshit, you get even lazier & fail to proof read your own bullshit posts... This type of shit is a waste of space. Go away Tony. |
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Archaeologica.org Your source on the web for daily archaeology news! Skip to content Advanced search Board index ‹ Discussion Boards ‹ New World Change font size Print view FAQ Register Login Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 5 of 6 • 123456 Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:41 am Kalopin wrote: Thanks, that's one of my favorites! :-] [...and then, go through and look at the crazy b.s. they discuss on "alternate history"!] [...maybe they were too scared?] I enjoyed the laugh though, knowing the amount of their stupidity. I have received similar reception on a few others... why, do you think it makes this research look any less legit? Yup. That forum thread seems to show that even the crazies think you're crazy. "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:01 pm circumspice wrote: Kalopin wrote: Thanks, that's one of my favorites! :-] [...and then, go through and look at the crazy b.s. they discuss on "alternate history"!] [...maybe they were too scared?] I enjoyed the laugh though, knowing the amount of their stupidity. I have received similar reception on a few others... why, do you think it makes this research look any less legit? Yup. That forum thread seems to show that even the crazies think you're crazy. Then I suppose that's how crazy the truth is? ...seems so simple to me- it wasn't an earthquake, it was a meteor impact... Surely you see that they didn't even try- to study, or even take a glance at all the evidence, they just assume, as you... ...so, you can continue to postulate some position of arrogance, or we can go through all the information and you can address each of my mistakes, as I will be more than glad to hear your explanation for these events...or, maybe you believe it commonplace to view objects in space to be bigger than the Sun...and, at the same moment, meteoric activity, earthquakes, eruptions, excessive storms,... How are you missing this? I did, however, address a very important concern, in that thread, though...did you notice? ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood? Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:12 pm Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood? I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you... "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:28 pm circumspice wrote: Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood? I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you... Are you trying to say that everyone's too stupid?, [...or maybe just too low of an I.Q. to be able to process this information? Do you think teaching the truth- that it was a meteor impact, not an earthquake, would just be too much for people to comprehend?...:-] ...all I can do is put forth all the evidence, present it in a way it may be understood, propose the explanations and, pretty much, rely on the problem, which you have proposed, not to be too much of an obstacle for our educational system, the general public and the scientific community to overcome... ["...what are the odds?..."] I have investigated thoroughly, if you plan on finding the truth, I suggest study- genealogytrails.com/main/events/ ... quake.html "...The extent of the area that experienced damaging earth motion is estimated to be 600,000 square kilometers. However, shaking strong enough to alarm the general population occurred over an area of 2.5 million square kilometers. At the onset of the earthquake, the ground rose and fell - bending the trees until their branches intertwined and opening deep cracks in the ground. Landslides swept down the steeper bluffs and hillslides; large areas of land were uplifted; and still larger areas sank and were covered with water that emerged through fissures or craterlets. Huge waves on the Mississippi River overwhelmed many boats and washed others high on the shore. High banks caved and collapsed into the river; sand bars and points of islands gave way; whole islands disappeared. Surface rupturing did not occur, however. The region most seriously affected was characterized by raised or sunken lands, fissures, sinks, sand blows, and large landslides that covered an area of 78,000 - 129,000 square kilometers, extending from Cairo, Illinois, to Memphis, Tennessee, and from Crowleys Ridge to Chickasaw Bluffs, Tennessee..." www.memphis.edu/ceri/compendium/eyewitness.php"...Here you will find listings of over 600 references that are related to the New Madrid earthquake of 1811-1812. These references include newspaper articles, scientific articles, folklore, maps, and eyewitness accounts, such as the one below: Eyewitness Account This account of the New Madrid Earthquake was recorded by George Heinrich Crist, residing at the time in the north-central Kentucky county of Nelson, near the present location of Louisville. The Science of New Madrid For scientific information on these events, the article described in "The Enigma of the New Madrid Earthquakes" by Arch Johnston and Buddy Schweig, is available for download in PDF format. This article was published in the Annual Review of Earth Planet Science in 1996..." pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html"...The beautiful comet which travelled through the northern celestial hemisphere during 1811, had offered itself plainly to view until the approach of the following year..." "...The tremendous storm from the northeast, near the end of December, 1811, began to leeward, near Cape Hatteras, and swept the American coast to the banks of Newfoundland, doing great damage to navigation, and exhibiting some curious facts in the history of the atmosphere. The particulars of this furious and memorable tempest have been collected by myself; and are in readiness to be offered to the society at the first convenient time..." "...In Richmond the signs of an earthquake were witnessed by many persons...in one of the most elevated mansions, the bells were set a ringing in both the upper and lower rooms..." "...At Louisville, (Ken.) near the falls of the Ohio, on Monday morning about three o'clock,... On the evening previous to the shock, there was a gentle rain, such as we have in April; and the night was rather close and dark; but at the termination of the first shock, it was light enough to enable a pin to be seen..."!!..." "... The town of St. Louis, in Louisiana, experienced a full proportion of the commotion. Mr. Riddick, being at St. Louis, near the Mississippi, observed to me, that the shocks were preceded by a remarkable calm. The atmosphere was of a dingy and lurid aspect, and gleams and flashes of light were frequently visible around the horizon, in different directions, generally ascending from the earth. Sometimes sounds were heard, like wind rustling thorugh the trees, but not resembling thunder. The first earthquake was felt aobut a quarter of an hour after two in the morning of the 16th. It roused persons from their sleep, by the clatter of windows, doors, and furniture, in tremulous motion. There was a rumbling distant noise, resembling a number of carriages passing over a pavement. In a few seconds the motions and noises had considerably increased. The sky was obscured by a thick and hazy fog, without a breath of wind. The weather was moderate, with the mercury about eight degrees above the freezing point..." failuremag.com/feature/article/no_great_shakes/"...http://failuremag.com/feature/article/n ... _shakes/... "...What makes the Global Positioning System (GPS) such an important new tool in earthquake studies? The way earthquakes work is that energy is stored up in the ground for hundreds of years. Then it’s released in an earthquake—like a spring. A seismometer tells us what happens during an earthquake, but GPS lets us see what’s happening between earthquakes. It lets us see the ground storing up that energy and deforming. When we look at faults around the world, we see them storing up that energy. So when we first put markers in the ground and measured the position of the Midwestern fault lines we were surprised that we didn’t see any motion at New Madrid. We concluded that there’s no sign that a big earthquake is on the way..." Read more: failuremag.com/feature/article/n ... z4KMop1uEw {...tryin' not to make ur wittle head hurt...;-] I have a little more faith in the intelligence of the general public. [This has been one of the biggest problems- with misinformation, lies, propaganda,...and how a certain few use this to control the narrative, protect the status quo and dummy-down the educational system...] ...so, ynoT, go ahead- "break the chains!"... :-] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Minimalist » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:05 pm The Russian winter arrived with all its severity on the 6th of November. And between November 26-29, 1812 Napoleon eluded the Russians at the Battle of Berezina even though his original plan was thwarted when Mother Nature caused a warm spell to thaw the river so he had to build and rebuild bridges to get across. Napoleon's plan was to cross the Berezina River and head for Poland, while his enemies wanted to trap him there and destroy him. The original plan to cross the frozen river quickly proved impossible, as the usually frozen waterway had thawed and was now impassable. Wiki Battle of Berezina The deep freeze would have served Napoleon well had it persisted. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. -- George Carlin Minimalist Posts: 15524 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:09 pm Location: Arizona Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by circumspice » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:45 pm Kalopin wrote: circumspice wrote: Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood? I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you... Are you trying to say that everyone's too stupid?, [...or maybe just too low of an I.Q. to be able to process this information? Do you think teaching the truth- that it was a meteor impact, not an earthquake, would just be too much for people to comprehend?...:-] No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely: 1. Delusions of grandeur 2. Messiah complex 3. Persecution complex Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us. "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope circumspice Posts: 759 Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 pm Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:52 am Minimalist wrote: The Russian winter arrived with all its severity on the 6th of November. And between November 26-29, 1812 Napoleon eluded the Russians at the Battle of Berezina even though his original plan was thwarted when Mother Nature caused a warm spell to thaw the river so he had to build and rebuild bridges to get across. Napoleon's plan was to cross the Berezina River and head for Poland, while his enemies wanted to trap him there and destroy him. The original plan to cross the frozen river quickly proved impossible, as the usually frozen waterway had thawed and was now impassable. Wiki Battle of Berezina The deep freeze would have served Napoleon well had it persisted. The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts... This is the effect that would be caused from the close passing of a sungrazer comet and the serial impact, from so many meteors, made from spin ice, ice, sand and rock,...which resulted... Yea, I would say this comet changed a lot of history, not only destroying Napoleon's army, as C/1811 F1 was also known throughout Europe and Asia as "Napoleon's comet''. It really messed up Tecumseh's plans, as I have little doubt the Chickasaw and several other tribes would have eventually joined to fight... I also credit the extreme weather during the War of 1812, as a tornado, spun off from a hurricane wiped out many of the British, as they were burning the capital, forcing their retreat... [Did the comet save Moscow and Washington D.C.?] please see- astrocoins.mrcollector.eu/index. ... comet-1811 The Great Comet of 1811 seems to have had no particular impact on astronomers, but the artists' world adverted to it. Tolstoy at the end of second book of in his work War and Peace wrote about the comet: It was clear and frosty. Above the dirty, ill-lit streets, above the black roofs, stretched the dark starry sky. Only looking up at the sky did Pierre cease to feel how sordid and humiliating were all mundane things compared with the heights to which his soul had just been raised. At the entrance to the Arbat Square an immense expanse of dark starry sky presented itself to his eyes. Almost in the center of it, above the Prechistenka Boulevard, surrounded and sprinkled on all sides by stars but distinguished from them all by its nearness to the earth, its white light, and its long uplifted tail, shone the enormous and brilliant comet of 1812 - the comet which was said to portend all kinds of woes and the end of the world..." - Great Comet of 1811 - Wikipedia, the free... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Comet_of_1811 The Great Comet of 1811, formally designated C/1811 F1, is a comet that was visible to the ... The comet was popularly thought to have portended Napoleon's invasion of Russia (even being referred to as "Napoleon's Comet") and the War of ... Napoleon's and Tecumseh's comet 1811 astrocoins.mrcollector.eu/index.php/english-menu-1/solar-sys... Napoleon's and Tecumseh's comet 1811. Print; Email. Details: Last Updated: Sunday, 24 August 2014 21:43: Hits: 720. The Great Comet of 1811, formally ... The Great Comet of 1811, "Napoleon's Comet" |... georgebishopjr.com/2013/07/10/the-great-comet-of-1811-napole... Jul 10, 2013 ... No. 6 in our Comet a Week is The Great Comet of 1811, also known as Napoleon's Comet. With a coma over a million miles across, it was ... War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy: Chapter XIX - The... www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/186/His love for Natasha, Antichrist, Napoleon, the invasion, the comet, 666, L' Empereur Napoleon, and L'russe Besuhof- all this had to mature and culminate, to lift ... 200 YEARS AGO IN 1811 THERE WAS THE GREAT COMET... www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/bruceb825-1.htmAug 25, 2011 ... Two hundred years ago in 1811 a comet appeared. It was ... It was dubbed the " Great Comet". ... Napoleon marched against Moscow in 1812. Great Comet of 1811, II | StarDate Online stardate.org/radio/program/great-comet-1811-ii Nov 2, 2011 ... Napoleon saw the comet as a good omen. It encouraged him to invade Russia. But that proved disastrous not only to that country but also to his ... 1811-1817: When the Earth had a Brush with the... darkmattersalot.com/2012/10/05/1811-1816-when-the-ea... Oct 5, 2012 ... He says, “As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one ... 1811-12 New Madrid Earthquakes, A NEO Connection? www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htmNov 30, 2005 ... He says, "As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one ... War and Peace - the enormous and brilliant comet -... www.bookdrum.com/books/war-and-peace/73 ... 8833.htm... Its association with Napoleon's invasion of Russia led to it being known as ' Napoleon's Comet'. Its scientific designation is the slightly less catchy 'C/1811 F1' . The events of 1811 - 1812 and the Great Comet -... cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9882.0 A quote within the link above states, "As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of ... Also try napoleon's island crossword clue napoleon's army napoleon's retreat from russia napoleon's march to moscow napoleon's battles rules napoleon's tomb paris france napoleon's italian campaign napoleon's old guard [...maybe we should go over every single detail?] Kalopin Top Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:08 pm circumspice wrote: No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely: 1. Delusions of grandeur 2. Messiah complex 3. Persecution complex Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us. o.k. smartass, tell me what's "not credible" [-like I have already told you to do!]...because you can not! You ass-u-me and spout out insults that only a moron would would be capable of... Do you feel you were elected? Have you even said one thing constructive?
look, either get something pertaining to the subject to discuss, or go away,...
[...and don't be so paranoid, but the goal is planetary defense...and, if everyone would have understood?...]
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Minimalist » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:17 pm
The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts...
Evidence? Because by now you must have figured out that your opinion does not carry a lot of weight.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Kalopin » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:49 pm
Minimalist wrote:
The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts...
Evidence? Because by now you must have figured out that your opinion does not carry a lot of weight.
Yes, my "opinion" is the comet caused the climate change from 1811-1817...
The facts are that many, if not most, of the population at the time, also had this same opinion...
...and the facts are every historical account, of which I have posted several, with links to, what may be in the thousands by now...all giving vivid descriptions of the comet's effects...
...the facts are that a shockwave pattern exists throughout the embayment [that should be easy to view and understand!]
...the facts are that hundreds of meteorites, impactites, several spherule beds,... were found near the central rebound peak of the crater...
...please allow me to walk you through this- see this image?-
The shockwave pattern is known as "the upper mid-land drift" [because it was thought an ice sheet formed it as it retreated-not possible!], "the upland complex", "the upland formation", and "the New Madrid lines"!...and has been studied extensively...
www.new-madrid.mo.us/index.aspx?nid=132
Earthquake Phenomena
Sand Boils
The world’s largest sand boil was created by the New Madrid earthquake. It is 1.4 miles long and 136 acres in extent, located in the Bootheel of Missouri, about eight miles west of Hayti, Missouri. Locals call it “The Beach.” Other, much smaller, sand boils are found throughout the area.
Seismic Tar Balls
Small pellets up to golf ball sized tar balls are found in sand boils and fissures. They are petroleum that has been solidified, or “petroliferous nodules.”
Earthquake Lights
Lights flashed from the ground, caused by quartz crystals being squeezed. The phenomena is called “seismoluminescence.”
Warm Water
Water thrown up by an earthquake was lukewarm. It is speculated that the shaking caused the water to heat up and/or quartz light heated the water.
Earthquake Smog
The skies turned dark during the earthquakes, so dark that lighted lamps didn’t help. The air smelled bad, and it was hard to breathe. It is speculated that it was smog containing dust particles caused by the eruption of warm water into cold air.
Loud Thunder
Sounds of distant thunder and loud explosions accompanied the earthquakes.
Animal Warnings
People reported strange behavior by animals before the earthquakes. They were nervous and excited. Domestic animals became wild, and wild animals became tame. Snakes came out of the ground from hibernation. Flocks of ducks and geese landed near people.
What "quartz crystals"?!- the embayment is sand and gravel- no crystals that size to make lights that bright...
...every effect is explained better using an impact- and, not tectonic movement, as the faults lie beneath hundreds of feet of soft sediments...
...many views show the direction of the force of impact, and the pattern left in the hills, throughout the embayment, from a meteor-
www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/maps.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
Many of the published accounts describe the cumulative effects of all the earthquakes (known as the New Madrid Sequence); thus finding the individual effects of each quake can be difficult. Magnitude estimates and epicenters are based on interpretations of historical accounts and may vary.
earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... 2_pics.php
genealogytrails.com/main/events/ ... quake.html
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by Kalopin » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:56 pm
showme.net/~fkeller/quake/topography.htm
do you see where the lines are centered?...
Sediment layers, Memphis aquafer, Reelfoot Rift
Writing in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American, Roy B. Van Arsdale and Randel Cox of the University of Memphis offered the following explanation of the embayment's complex origin.
As Pangaea began to break up about 95 million years ago, North America passed over a volcanic "hot spot" in the earth's mantle (specifically, the Bermuda hot spot) that was undergoing a period of intense activity. The upwelling of magma from the hot spot forced the further uplift to a height of perhaps 2-3 km of part of the Appalachian-Ouachita range, forming an arch. The uplifted land quickly eroded and, as North America moved away from the hot spot and as the hot spot's activity declined, the crust beneath the embayment region cooled, contracted and subsided to a depth of 2.6 km, forming a trough that was flooded by the Gulf of Mexico. As sea levels dropped, the Mississippi and other rivers extended their courses into the embayment, which gradually became filled with sediment. -- answers.com/topic/mississippi-embayment/
The National Park Service says
About 18,000 years ago a continental glacier covered North America. This continental glaciation event, with its gradual melting period from 12,000 to 7,500 years ago, was the last in a series of continental glaciers that have formed and then receded over the last 25 million years. As the glaciers melted and reformed, the Mississippi and its tributaries carved valleys and created floodplains across the region. --nps.gov
...what?...
academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/st ... /index.htm
The modern embayment is attributed to the rise of sea level in the Cretaceous.
...what?...
hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/
They are among the Great earthquakes of known history, affecting the topography more than any other earthquake on the North American continent. Judging from their effects, they were of a magnitude of 8.0 or higher on the Richter Scale. They were felt over the entire United States outside of the Pacific coast. Large areas sank into the earth, new lakes were formed, the course of the Mississippi River was changed, and forests were destroyed over an area of 150,000 acres. Many houses at New Madrid were thrown down. "Houses, gardens, and fields were swallowed up" one source notes. But fatalities and damage were low, because the area was sparsely settled then.
["...sparsely populated..."?!- except for, maybe, the thousands of natives, unaccounted for?]
...so, which is it?...is the topography many thousands years old, or was 150,000 acres of land changed?
www.new-madrid.mo.us/index.aspx?nid=132
Tecumseh’s Comet and the Battle of Tippecanoe
The earthquakes were preceded by the appearance of a great comet, which was visible around the globe for seventeen months, and was at its brightest during the earthquakes.
"...Small pellets up to golf ball sized tar balls...","... “seismoluminescence.” ...","...Water thrown up by an earthquake was lukewarm...","...The skies turned dark during the earthquakes, so dark that lighted lamps didn’t help. The air smelled bad, and it was hard to breathe...","...Sounds of distant thunder and loud explosions...","...People reported strange behavior by animals before the earthquakes. They were nervous and excited..."
[...so, how does a fault in the middle of a tectonic plate, covered by hundreds of feet of sediment, produce these effects?...]
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by Minimalist » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:26 pm
The facts are that many, if not most, of the population at the time, also had this same opinion...
Surely you have heard of:
Argumentum ad populum ("argument to the people") is a logical fallacy that occurs when something is considered to be true or good solely because it is popular.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie
by Kalopin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:13 pm
Minimalist wrote:
The facts are that many, if not most, of the population at the time, also had this same opinion...
Surely you have heard of:
Argumentum ad populum ("argument to the people") is a logical fallacy that occurs when something is considered to be true or good solely because it is popular.
Yes, that is what has occurred... They are currently teaching misinterpretations derived from lack of investigation... These speculations and assumptions have been put into curriculum through arrogance inherited from passed on ignorance and has been forced inside the psyche of the great majority of students as if it is truth, when in fact, they even admit that they are estimates and beliefs based on hear-say evidence...and now "...is considered to be true or good solely because it is popular..."
...the people who actually witnessed the events explained what they saw through their own interpretations and have been misunderstood, as they were correct, the comet caused the destruction...
The Significance of a Fossiliferous Spherule Bed...
www.academia.edu/5751241/The_Sig ... liferous...
The Significance of a Fossiliferous Spherule Bed at the K/Pg Boundary in Mississippi ... spherule bed is exposed at the 4th Street Pit in northern Mississippi . ... the Mississippi embayment provides an almost complete stratigraphic record of the ...
...and so, these young geology students have concluded the spherules, chert, and quartz,... in the upper Mississippi embayment was deposited during the Chesapeake bay impact event... -no...
...a few studies on the chert and quartz...
[PDF]mississippi's gravel deposits - Mississippi...
www.deq.state.ms.us/mdeq.nsf/pdf ... cular-Ro...
File format:Adobe PDF
Jan 30, 2006 ... ROCKS AND FOSSILS FOUND IN MISSISSIPPI'S GRAVEL ... terrain is dissected by now occupy certain hilltops in northern Tishomingo ... It is important to remember that while the pebbles as well as chert andquartz gravel.
[PDF]geology - Mississippi Department of Environmental...
www.deq.state.ms.us/mdeq.nsf/pdf ... ume7Numb...
File format:Adobe PDF
Mar 3, 1987 ... quartz sand and, except within lenses, is rarely more than half the deposit. ... northern Mississippi cut deep valleys into the chert- bearing formations and ... fusilinids have been found in gravel pits in southern. Mississippi.
[PDF]geology and mineral resources of mississippi -...
pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0283/report.pdf
File format:Adobe PDF
A, Outcrop of Vicksburg limestone at Rock Cut 1 mile west of Clinton; ... Mr. L. C. Johnson, of Pachuta, Miss., who has spent many years in geologic work in the ... maybe necessary to carry on the analysis of soils,' minerals', and mineral ... I found nowhere a sufficient accumulation of nitrates to render exploration useful.
[PDF]Guide to rocks and minerals of Illinois - Ideals
www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstrea ... 2/44952/...
File format:Adobe PDF
zinc ores, fluorspar, silica sand, limestone, sand, gravel, clay, ... present in northern, southern, ... along the Mississippi and Illinois River valleys - are found at.
[PDF]Rocks and Fossils Found in Mississippi Gravels -...
msgravel.com/assets/1312/rocks_and_fossils_collected_from_ms...
File format:Adobe PDF
Jun 2, 1995 ... of past oceans that covered North America some three hun- dred million .... Source areas for Paleozoic pebbles found in Mississippi's gravels. Source area A .... ite (figures 1,4), clear quartz crystal (figures 2-3), chert. (figures 5 ...
...in the southern end of the embayment, it is believed to be from the Miocene era [...one spherule bed in northern Mississippi was said to have been from the Chicxulub impact event...]
www.missgeo.com/delegates.htm
Hydro-silica cemented sandstone exhibiting rare opalescence. These specimens are from the Miocene age upper Catahoula Formation of Claiborne County, matrix of which includes medium to coarse-grained quartz and black chert sands with disseminated angular to sub-rounded black chert and quartz pea gravel. Induration of this conglomeratic sandstone is a diagenetic, near-surface, leaching feature of amorphous silica; often resulting in orthoquartzite.
...and, I believe the research may be in on the Tupelo meteorite?-
TUPELO, A NEW EL6 ENSTATITE Planetary Geoscience Institute, Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences
, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN,
[3].The 280g Tupelo meteorite was found in 2012 by Maura O’Connell and Raymond Doherty, in a field in Mississippi while looking for Indian artifacts. Based on mineralogic and petrographic examination, we have determined it to be an enstatite chondrite,classified as EL6. Tupelo is one of 70 known EL6 chondrites, officially named in December 2012by the Meteoritical Society.
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by E.P. Grondine » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:26 am
circumspice wrote:
No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely:
1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex
Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us.
That pretty well sums it up.
What made it possible for Tony to build his delusional framework was a rather complete ignorance of physics, history, and geology.
The state of Alabama now has two museums just to the east of Montgomery where Tony could get himself straight: The Fort Mims museum and the Wetumpka Crater Museum,
As it is extremely doubtful if he will visit them on his own accord, I suggest banning him until he visits both of them, and talks with the people who staff them.
They're paid to educate, and they might as well earn their pay.
Usually people believe what they want to believe until reality intrudes.
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by Kalopin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:08 pm
E.P. Grondine wrote:
circumspice wrote:
No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely:
1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex
Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us.
That pretty well sums it up.
What made it possible for Tony to build his delusional framework was a rather complete ignorance of physics, history, and geology.
The state of Alabama now has two museums just to the east of Montgomery where Tony could get himself straight: The Fort Mims museum and the Wetumpka Crater Museum,
As it is extremely doubtful if he will visit them on his own accord, I suggest banning him until he visits both of them, and talks with the people who staff them.
They're paid to educate, and they might as well earn their pay.
Dang! that's rude. Do you think I would ever suggest banning you E.P.?
I will be more than happy to discuss any mistakes you have noticed within this research...
...as for Wetumpka and Mims, been there, done that,...
...there are many craters throughout the south and up the east coast, almost all from this serial impact...
www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/VTrips/Kilmichael.HTM
The Kilmichael Structure is a small structural disturbance about 9 kilometers in diameter in central Mississippi. It consists of a central uplift where Cretaceous and Tertiary rocks are uplifted about 450 m relative to their normal stratigraphic level. The uplift is surrounded by a graben with about 150 meters of subsidence, and an outer ring of fault blocks. The maps above show the approximate central part of the structure.
[...being a serial impact, there were many meteors, before and after the major bolide that hit northern Mississippi...]
[here are samples from another possible impact in western Georgia-]
[...in the morning I am to have a discussion with one of the professors that had thin sections cut and is checking for shocked quartz...]
Magnitude estimates and epicenters are based on interpretations of historical accounts and may vary.
...do you understand what they are saying?...
There really is plenty more evidence, a lot to compile, and so, I do appreciate the conversation, as it has helped bring more to light... I hope that this will make more people curious and that they will further investigate what had actually occurred...
and- "...find the truths behind the myths..."
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Archaeologica.org Your source on the web for daily archaeology news! Skip to content Advanced search Board index ‹ Discussion Boards ‹ New World Change font size Print view FAQ Register Login Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer reviewed] Moderators: Minimalist, MichelleH Post a reply 76 posts • Page 6 of 6 • 123456 Re: Tecumseh crater and the lost Great Chickasaw [peer revie by Kalopin » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:24 pm [...currently, this research is awaiting further scientific data, including lidar, core samples, spectrometer readings,...] 11/27/2016- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3804 Beringia... www.stewartsynopsis.com/washitaw.htmIn 1993, the United Nations Center for Human Rights, recognized the Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah Muur Empire as the Oldest Indigenous group of people on Earth... ...we are living under another ideological part of American Revisionist History. Also, the following undermines the whole breadth and depth of what is written in American history books... ...The Washitaw were direct descendants of the Olmecs who mixed in the Malian Moors... Over 200,000 ancient pyramids and huge mounds of the Earth in the shape of cones, animals and geometric designs can still be found from the southern coast of America to Canada. These structures were built by people known as "The Mound Builders." They were dark-skinned woolly-haired Blacks who were indigenous (native) to North America and kin to the Olmecs of South America... During Pangea, the Afrikan and American continents were joined. The Black Mound Builders were the Washitaw-Muurs (Ouachita-Moors), the ORIGINAL inhabitants of North and South America... He [purposely?] leaves out the Mississippians, who were the forefathers of the Chickasaw, also "mound builders", who, I believe were here even before the Olmecs... www.ancient-origins.net/myths-le ... bes-005774 Several Native American tribes have passed down legends of a race of white giants who were wiped out... msgw.org/pontotoc/wpa/wpaindianstribes.htm...As a race the Chickasaws were tall and erect, and robust... ...Bartram said: "As a moral man, they certainly stand in no need of European civilization. They are honest, liberal, and hospitable to strangers; considerate, loving and affectionate to their wives and relatives; fond of their children; industrious, frugal, temperate and persevering; charitable and forbearing. I have been weeks and months among them in their towns, and never observed the least sign of an Indian beating his wife or even reproving in anger. In this case the stand as examples of reproof to the most civilized nations, as not being defective in justice, gratitude, and good understanding; they are industrious, frugal, careful, loving, and affectionate." Lawson said," They will endure a great many misfortunes, losses and disappointments without showing themselves the least vexed and uneasy"... www.tolatsga.org/chick.html...From their closely related languages, the Chickasaw and Choctaw appear to have been part of the same tribe when they lived west of the Mississippi River. Afterwards, they went separate ways... www.chickasaw.net/Our-Nation/Hi ... -Past.aspx ...But archaeologists who have studied Southeastern prehistoric human remains and artifacts believe that the ancestors of the Chickasaws and most other Southeastern tribes were the highly centralized, mound-building Indians of the so-called Mississippian Period... ...there is so much misinformation and misunderstandings, due to so much war and catastrophe, that it will be difficult to know what had actually occurred, [...without first understanding why the north American continent had become so devoid of life to "begin" with...], [approx. 13kya-YDB, & what ended the Clovis culture, & the reason the Chickasaw ceded their land ;-]... 12/5/16- Re: Beringia Postby Kalopin » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:16 pm www.ancient-origins.net/myths-le ... bes-005774 “They excelled every other nation which was flourished, either before or since, in all manner of cunning handicraft—were brave and warlike—ruling over the land they had wrested from its ancient possessors with a high and haughty hand. Compared with them the palefaces of the present day were pygmies, in both art and arms. …”
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